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ClaytonN
11-05-2005, 05:27 PM
Sadly I have zero notes on the button pusher, so I can't speculate if his reraise is FOS here. The original raiser I know I can outplay postflop based on pots going back to the beginning of the tournament, and I didn't want to get the money in postflop versus the guy, so I flat call.

In any case, calling a losing will put me at 10xbb while calling and winning will put me in top 10. I feel like I'm about a 55% favorite versus his range. But folding will still leave me a slightly above average stack.

Who gambools?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter (http://www.pokerhand.org)

BB (t6953)
UTG (t2345)
UTG+1 (t2525)
MP1 (t1880)
MP2 (t1180)
Hero (t5005)
CO (t4645)
Button (t3120)
SB (t1290)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t450</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t450, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t3120</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t4245

11-05-2005, 05:30 PM
I don't /images/graemlins/frown.gif
Actually, I think I would have just folded to the original raise, with so many people left to act, and considering how shallow MP1's stack is (not too much room for you to outplay him here, either), playing for set value is bad here.

Pat Southern
11-05-2005, 05:39 PM
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I don't /images/graemlins/frown.gif
Actually, I think I would have just folded to the original raise, with so many people left to act, and considering how shallow MP1's stack is (not too much room for you to outplay him here, either), playing for set value is bad here.

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Exactly what I was gonna say.

ClaytonN
11-05-2005, 05:40 PM
FWIW, I'm not playing for se value against villain. His play has been so linear since the tournament began that if he checked to me, I could bet him off the hand. This is one of those "You had to be there" instances, so assume for the moment that coldcalling with 77 is correct. I'm curious who has the gamble to call the push from button.

11-05-2005, 05:45 PM
I fold this hand twice, but given your read fold it once. Nh.

11-05-2005, 05:53 PM
I fold preflop

But given you didn't do that I would call heads up

ansky451
11-05-2005, 06:12 PM
If you think you are 55% against his range than this is a no brainer call.

11-05-2005, 06:14 PM
What range are you giving him that you are 55% favorite against /images/graemlins/confused.gif

ClaytonN
11-05-2005, 06:15 PM
Any PP, any ace, any king, any pretty combnation of broadway cards and down to like 87'ish.

This is generally my interpretation of hand ranges from a button pusher after a raise and coldcall. I mentally have this at about 55%, but I obviously could be wrong.

ansky451
11-05-2005, 06:17 PM
I have too much gamble, but if you actually think thats his range, you should insta call this, without a second thought.

11-05-2005, 06:33 PM
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Any PP, any ace, any king, any pretty combnation of broadway cards and down to like 87'ish.

This is generally my interpretation of hand ranges from a button pusher after a raise and coldcall. I mentally have this at about 55%, but I obviously could be wrong.

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If that's his range, then you should obviously call. Is that really the range you put him on? Mine's way different. I tend to not suspect people of squeeze plays because the players I play with don't make them.

ClaytonN
11-05-2005, 06:36 PM
this was a 55. it's the breaking point of where i give players a little more respect than say, an 11 or a 22.

but yeah, this felt like a bad fold. i play a big stack far better than i play a small stack though, so i got scared at the prospects. blah.

CardSharpCook
11-05-2005, 06:40 PM
I'm not gonna bother going through the math on this one because this hand has been posted about 20 times in the past 6 months. It is a call. Use pokerstove. Put your op. on a range of hands and determine your eq vs. that range. I assure you, 77 is good here.

ClaytonN
11-05-2005, 06:41 PM
Chuck,

I was fairly certain it's a call. What had me folding was the prospects of being down to 10x'ish. I could not bring myself to gamb00l. That's all. This isn't about pokerstove.

CardSharpCook
11-05-2005, 06:46 PM
ah. That is understandable. There are times when I know that a gambool is EV correct, but still fold.

WillMagic
11-05-2005, 06:47 PM
I instacall.

Will

JustPlayingSmart
11-05-2005, 07:48 PM
I think you overestimate villain here. If this is villain's range, you clearly put him on a squeeze. In a $50 tournament, there are plenty of people who don't even know what a squeeze is, and so they wouldn have never executed a play like this. Also, if the button had a playable but marginal hand, wouldn't he be more likely to just call and use his positional advantage postflop?

I'm always wary of a squeeze in these spots, but I usually have to give my opponents credit for being good at poker before I can find a call with a hand like 77.