bankroll building still feasible in micro?

Hi, I'm a beginner to online poker play. I've got a party poker account which I open a while back and have play some games with that, but nothing serious. I just stumbled across the 2+2 forums, and read some of the articles in the beginner's links. I have some questions the validity of the bank roll building articles, and in particular the micro bankroll. I'm not a serious player, mainly because I don't have the expendable income. I'm feeling that I can spend about $100 a month on poker. However, if I were to be able to build up a good size bankroll, then I think I would have more patience to study the game and read more books and read more forum postings.

Now, after that brief description, I just basically want to ask whether the bankroll building articles are still valid anymore. I noticed that they are written a couple months back, and I went and visited bonuswhores.com and it seems some of the bonuses are not valid anymore, especially the party skins, and the monthly reloads.

So does anyone have any good up to date advice on building a bank roll with a minimum deposit of $100?

[KaiShin]

Homer's bankroll building thread (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1060198&page=&view=&sb=5& o=&vc=1) , a classic.

[Aaron W.]

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Homer's bankroll building thread (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1060198&page=&view=&sb=5& o=&vc=1) , a classic.

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Although it's classic, it's out of date.

Bankroll Building, version 2 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=3740788&page=0&fpart=1&v c=1)

[KaiShin]

Nice, added to favorites /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I searched for it cause Wookie mentioned it a few times (and I have been inactive for quite a while) but couldn't find it.

This is one of the articles I read, and it indeed is a great article. However, the reason I started this thread is because

1. This article is less suited to players like me, who don't have very much money to handle the variances.

2. Since this article was written a while back, a lot of the bonuses no longer work anymore.

So I would like to know if there is any more up to date advice out there for someone like me to build up a bank roll.

[nomadtla]

Here's a great updated thread by the wookie

Building a bankroll V2.0 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=micro&Number=3740788&fpar t=1&PHPSESSID=)

And another good post by Q-tip about staring out in (online)poker and how to suceed

Found Here (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=micro&Number=3812872&fpar t=1&PHPSESSID=)

That should be enough to get you started. And to answer your question Yes you can take a $100 bankroll and with proper play and some site jumping start to get to a decent level.

<---- was at UB for about a year playing break even. Started interacting here in July and at the time had $150 in my bankroll. Moved to Stars from advice of this forum. Picked up SSH and read and reread it. Now have $400 BR and have withdrawn over $200 in bonuses I've cleared. I could have left that money in my BR but I'm moving up slowly since I suck at poker**.

**My advice on BR management and online play is far beter then my ability

[Aaron W.]

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Nice, added to favorites /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I searched for it cause Wookie mentioned it a few times (and I have been inactive for quite a while) but couldn't find it.

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I just searched "Bankroll" and it came up (make you extend the date of the search to get as many hits as possible).

Thanks for the reply. These links are a great help. I'll be sure to pick up SSH and study that more before I sign up anywhere else. I wish I hadn't dove right into Party.

[stuartharris]

I play exclusively at UB, which gets some bad press here fairly often as having too many tight players. Probably true--since I haven't played other places, I can't compare. I've also read that UB bonuses clear slowly. Again, I can't compare. However, the nice thing is that there's no deadline for clearing bonuses. I recently took 2 1/2 months to clear a $50 bonus, playing 2-3 hours each week. This allowed me to single-table and play good smart poker the entire time I was working off the bonus.

[Nomad84]

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However, the nice thing is that there's no deadline for clearing bonuses.

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Stars and Paradise bonuses do not expire either. I have somewhere around $1k in uncleared bonuses between those two sites for when I move up in limits enough to make it worthwhile to clear them.

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Stars and Paradise bonuses do not expire either. I have somewhere around $1k in uncleared bonuses between those two sites for when I move up in limits enough to make it worthwhile to clear them.

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Are these bonus applicable to micro limit games? Also, how are you able to rack up $1k in uncleared bonuses for just those 2 sites alone?

the following sites:
Ultimate Bet
Paradise
Pokerstars

have bonuses that never expire and are stackable. so you can put, for example, $400 into paradise and get $100 in bonus, withdraw the money a few days later, and come back when you're willing to play. if another bonus becomes available, you can do it again, and you'll have $200 in bonus available.

building bonuses at these sites require you to be nimble. Example: i just finished a bonus at paradise and cashed out, and i was going to head over to a prima room, but then UB posted a %50/$200 reload bonus. So I took all my money over there, deposited it, and will likely play some of it off this weekend. Whatever I don't clear will remain, and i'll head over to Prima (where the sign up bonus will clear much faster than the UB reload), and return to UB when there aren't any good bonuses to take advantage of.

That's pretty much how it works. You generally need to be competitive at 50/1 or higher to clear bonuses. And hopefully along the way, you pick up on the game and you start making money primarily off your play (i'm still working on that).

[SoftcoreRevolt]

I'd reccomend hitting up the Boss Network skins such as Sportingbet and Casino.net that still have 100 dollar bonii that only require a 30 min deposit. (Check their sites first, of course) You can clear these against the worst players in the world, at very low stakes. Then move on to Paradise, and maybe Golden Tiger if you can deal with Prima.

[Nomad84]

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Stars and Paradise bonuses do not expire either. I have somewhere around $1k in uncleared bonuses between those two sites for when I move up in limits enough to make it worthwhile to clear them.

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Are these bonus applicable to micro limit games? Also, how are you able to rack up $1k in uncleared bonuses for just those 2 sites alone?

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I'm not sure about Paradise, since I've barely even played there, but at Stars I think .5/1 is the lowest where you could clear the bonus in any reasonable amount of time. I think that it will clear (very slowly) at .25/.5 though. I'm waiting until I'm playing at least 2/4 before I worry too much about it though, so long as there are good bonuses elsewhere.

Since the bonuses stack and never expire, I just deposit for each reload, wait a few days, and withdraw. I have a big enough bankroll to move the money around without any real limitations. I've been doing this for several months. I just checked the exact numbers and I have $300 in uncleared bonus at Paradise and $630 at Stars, for a total of $930 in uncleared bonus. A quick check of the bonus grid shows that it will clear at the following rates per table hour:

.........Stars....Paradise
.5/1...$2.82....$4.26
1/2....$4.43....$5.61
2/4....$7.78....$3.89
3/6....$8.78....$4.39


This is for full ring. I'm glad I posted this, because I thought Paradise cleared faster at higher limits. Since this isn't the case, I'll probably get to work on that pretty soon. It's pretty clear that I should wait on Stars though since it will clear over 75% faster at 2/4 than at 1/2. Of course, there are faster clearing bonuses out there (Cryptos, etc.), so I'll probably play some of them before I worry too much about Paradise, but it just moved up on my list.

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I'd reccomend hitting up the Boss Network skins such as Sportingbet and Casino.net that still have 100 dollar bonii that only require a 30 min deposit. (Check their sites first, of course) You can clear these against the worst players in the world, at very low stakes. Then move on to Paradise, and maybe Golden Tiger if you can deal with Prima.

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I went and checked out casino.net, and they've got a $200 immediate bonus if you deposit $800, but it doesn't say what the details are. Does anyone know how many raked hands you have to play to be able to withdraw?

Also, based on all the forum postings I've read today, I've decided to get the GSIH book first and completely read that before I do anything. Then I may play a little while reading up on SSH. With this plan, hopefully after a couple of months, I'll be able to have some money from bonuses and winnings and a lot of good experience.

I suggest that you try bet365 and GoldenRiveriaPoker (Prima skins). Both have a $50 flat bonus on a $50 deposit. You only need to play 250 raked hands (a hand must be raked 25c to count) for the bonus to clear. It's easy to clear even at 0.25/0.50.

[SoftcoreRevolt]

Hmm, I guess Casino.net's bonus has changed. I wouldn't use that as a bonus building thing, my mistake.

The poster above me's Prima reccomendations are good ones for a low bankroll, check em out.

[trainslayer]

The answer to your question is yes.

And you don't have to use bonuses to do it. They are nice but not necessary.

I played for 1 year before finding 2+2 and was down $350. Since the first of the year (when I found this site) I made it back to even (which was cashed out) and now have the roll for 2/4 and almost 3/6. I didn't deposit for my first bonus until I had a net profit of about $400. It can be done. But you got to study and work your ass off. good luck.

[HouseCalls]

I agree with the rest Homer and Wookie's posts remain good guides. I also have recent experience at sportingbet.com and casino.net. I think the bonus you mentioned for casino.net applies to deposits for their casino and not their poker room. The poker bonus (at casino.net and sportingbet.com) is $100 for 500 raked hands. (I think the minimum deposit is $20 but I put in $50 at each site so I can't swear to that). Once you make you initial deposit you can play at any limit. The rules for bonus clearing are very easy. Any pot you play in (including from blinds) in which the pot reaches at least $1 counts as a raked hand - this essentially means any hand you play counts. After 100 raked hands you recieve a $30 bonus; after 400 more raked hands you recieve an additional $70. Thus if you go to these two sites and play break even poker you will be up $200. I cleared both sites in about 2 weeks without much trouble. Good luck!!

wow, casino.net's poker bonus sounds pretty easy. What is the lowest tables they have? Since I was stupid enough to make my first deposit to party and have lost it and the deposit, i'm definetly going to check out casino.net...after I'm done reading GSIH.

[HouseCalls]

Current low limit is .50/1 (they had .10/.20 two weeks ago but got rid of that loop hole /images/graemlins/frown.gif)

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Stars and Paradise bonuses do not expire either. I have somewhere around $1k in uncleared bonuses between those two sites for when I move up in limits enough to make it worthwhile to clear them.

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Are these bonus applicable to micro limit games? Also, how are you able to rack up $1k in uncleared bonuses for just those 2 sites alone?

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I'm not sure about Paradise, since I've barely even played there, but at Stars I think .5/1 is the lowest where you could clear the bonus in any reasonable amount of time. I think that it will clear (very slowly) at .25/.5 though. I'm waiting until I'm playing at least 2/4 before I worry too much about it though, so long as there are good bonuses elsewhere.

Since the bonuses stack and never expire, I just deposit for each reload, wait a few days, and withdraw. I have a big enough bankroll to move the money around without any real limitations. I've been doing this for several months. I just checked the exact numbers and I have $300 in uncleared bonus at Paradise and $630 at Stars, for a total of $930 in uncleared bonus. A quick check of the bonus grid shows that it will clear at the following rates per table hour:

.........Stars....Paradise
.5/1...$2.82....$4.26
1/2....$4.43....$5.61
2/4....$7.78....$3.89
3/6....$8.78....$4.39


This is for full ring. I'm glad I posted this, because I thought Paradise cleared faster at higher limits. Since this isn't the case, I'll probably get to work on that pretty soon. It's pretty clear that I should wait on Stars though since it will clear over 75% faster at 2/4 than at 1/2. Of course, there are faster clearing bonuses out there (Cryptos, etc.), so I'll probably play some of them before I worry too much about Paradise, but it just moved up on my list.

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I should probably ask what exactly that table represents, and how it's figured.

[Nomad84]

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Stars and Paradise bonuses do not expire either. I have somewhere around $1k in uncleared bonuses between those two sites for when I move up in limits enough to make it worthwhile to clear them.

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Are these bonus applicable to micro limit games? Also, how are you able to rack up $1k in uncleared bonuses for just those 2 sites alone?

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I'm not sure about Paradise, since I've barely even played there, but at Stars I think .5/1 is the lowest where you could clear the bonus in any reasonable amount of time. I think that it will clear (very slowly) at .25/.5 though. I'm waiting until I'm playing at least 2/4 before I worry too much about it though, so long as there are good bonuses elsewhere.

Since the bonuses stack and never expire, I just deposit for each reload, wait a few days, and withdraw. I have a big enough bankroll to move the money around without any real limitations. I've been doing this for several months. I just checked the exact numbers and I have $300 in uncleared bonus at Paradise and $630 at Stars, for a total of $930 in uncleared bonus. A quick check of the bonus grid shows that it will clear at the following rates per table hour:

.........Stars....Paradise
.5/1...$2.82....$4.26
1/2....$4.43....$5.61
2/4....$7.78....$3.89
3/6....$8.78....$4.39


This is for full ring. I'm glad I posted this, because I thought Paradise cleared faster at higher limits. Since this isn't the case, I'll probably get to work on that pretty soon. It's pretty clear that I should wait on Stars though since it will clear over 75% faster at 2/4 than at 1/2. Of course, there are faster clearing bonuses out there (Cryptos, etc.), so I'll probably play some of them before I worry too much about Paradise, but it just moved up on my list.

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I should probably ask what exactly that table represents, and how it's figured.

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It represents an approximation of the clearing rate for the bonus for each site for each limit. For example, if you play Stars $1/2 limit, you will clear the bonus at approximately $4.43 per table-hour. To estimate this for Stars, the approximate number of FPP per table hour was determined. This was divided by 5 since the bonus is cleared at 5 FPP per dollar of bonus. For Paradise, the rate was determined by dividing the approximate raked hands per table-hour by 10 since it clears at 10 raked hands per dollar.