Made Draw Against TAG

[Scotch78]

CO is 12/7.7/2 over 500 hands with a 23% WSD.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.25 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

Scott

[toss]

I'd say the flop peel is questionable. Are you planning to fold to a raise on the river?

[Scotch78]

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I'd say the flop peel is questionable

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I'm not particularly worried about sets (and especially two pair hands) with this flop, so AK and KQ /images/graemlins/spade.gif are the only hands I'm really worried about. If he has a king, but neither of those hands, then I should have about 5 outs with redraws. At 9.5-1 that's plenty. Also, I figured that the chance of him having QJ /images/graemlins/spade.gif or a PP smaller than queens would help compensate for the times I'm up against AK.

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Are you planning to fold to a raise on the river?

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Probably, his stats don't suggest any nuttiness and I can't think of any reasonable raising hands that I beat.

Scott

[toss]

What your plan if a nonspade Q falls on the river?

[SNOWBALL138]

I really don't like your flop call. You're often looking at top pair, and you don't have the odds to call versus top pair. When you aren't looking at top pair, and are instead looking at a flush draw, you will still either lose when he makes the draw or be bluffed off of the winning hand.

Fold the flop.

[Piiop]

I think this whole hand is fine.

[Piiop]

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You're often looking at top pair, and you don't have the odds to call versus top pair. When you aren't looking at top pair, and are instead looking at a flush draw, you will still either lose when he makes the draw or be bluffed off of the winning hand. Fold the flop.


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Can you explain your math behind this conclusion?

[Scotch78]

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What your plan if a nonspade Q falls on the river?

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Check-fold.

Scott

[Scotch78]

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Can you explain your math behind this conclusion?

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If he has a king other than AK or KQ /images/graemlins/spade.gif, then I have three aces, a backdoor flush draw worth about 1.5 outs and a backdoor straight draw worth a little bit.

Scott

[Borodog]

Dare I say . . . standard?

[mowz]

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Dare I say . . . standard?

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[Dagger78]

You can't routinely fold here to a fold raise from a TAG who Flat called pre-flop. You're getting raised by draws and medium pairs alot.

Fold the turn UI though.

[Dagger78]

You'd check fold if you hit a Queen on the river?

Don't you think this would also be a Bet-Fold? You're getting good odds that he has a pair smaller then queens. On the flop I assume you're good sometimes when you pair your queen, that obviusly has some value now. You're getting 7-1 (8-1 if he calls) on your bet and I bet you're good 15% of the time at least.

[flopmonster]

I check the river to induce a bluff from a missed flush... Also because I think the ace was not an out for u

[Dagger78]

If the ace isn't an out, why did we call the flop?

Plus a tag didn't call pre-flop with A-rag and would probably re-raise with AK.

[SmileyEH]

With a 23WSD, I think calling and then check raising/reraising any turn/river will win the most money. Well maybe not, but 23WSD is REALLY weak.

-SmileyEH