AJ, button, TPTK

No reads on the turn bettor.
It is Party .0/5
1. Do you agree with the turn raise?
2. Do you fold to 3-bet?
3. What do you do if he bets the river?
4. Do you bet the river?

PreFlop: HERO is Button with Jh Ac (10 Players)
UTG limps, 2 folds, MP2 limps, MP3 limps, 1 fold, HERO raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls,

Flop: (5.25 SB) 4d 6d Jc (5 Players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, HERO bets, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls,

Turn: (7.25 BB) 4d 6d Jc Td (4 Players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP3 bets, HERO raises, BB calls, UTG folds, MP3 calls,

River: (13.25 BB) 4d 6d Jc Td 7h (3 Players)
BB checks, MP3 checks, HERO checks,

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

1. no
2. depends, where?
3. bet, its a big pot
4. yes, the draws are busted

I think the turn raise was good to find out where you stand, 3-bet probably means villain flopped a set of 4's or 6's, or maybe the turn gave him a flush draw (you assume he would've raised TT, AK, AQ PF). I probably call down if 3-bet given the pot size. You have to bet the river for value here when it's checked to you, I'm thinking villain is probably looking at a busted flush draw.

[Aaron W.]

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4. Do you bet the river?

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4. yes, the draws are busted

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That's a bad reason to bet the river.

[McGahee]

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4. Do you bet the river?

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4. yes, the draws are busted

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That's a bad reason to bet the river.

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I was going to say the same thing. With that said, if the guy likes to donk this turn with a flush draw, you have to bet the river in case he paired up, plus it looks like the other guy is calling down.
But since we don't have a read, I think we're looking at JT a ton of times, in which case I wouldn't raise the turn.
The FSP doesn't really make a whole lot of sense here IMO.

OP - fold the turn to a 3-bet and don't worry about getting bet into on the river when you're deciding whether or not to raise the turn...it happens too infrequently to really even worry about.

[eviljeff]

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1. Do you agree with the turn raise?
2. Do you fold to 3-bet?
3. What do you do if he bets the river?
4. Do you bet the river?

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1. yes
2. yes
3. kick the cat and call
4. yep - it might be a fairly thin value bet, but I make it

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4. Do you bet the river?

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4. yes, the draws are busted

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That's a bad reason to bet the river.

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against 1 villain i would agree. but against 2 there is a high likelihood that either/both:
a) was drawing and is now busted (no diamond)
b) holds a weaker J or MP that is now paying you off

If the draw hits, we find it harder to bet due to the possibility of being checkraised by either player that has hit the flush and doesnt expect you to slow down.

when the draw misses we can bet out for value, hoping that even if the busted draw folds out, the other player pays us off.

ive kind of confused myself in this response, does it make sense?

[lautzutao]

1. Yes, I think the raise here is correct.
2. No, I don't fold to a 3-bet. You're pretty much committed to a showdown in a pot this big.
3. If he bets the river I just call.
4. If he checks to you bet it.