1/2 six max- 99

Hey, I've been lurking here for a while- this is my 1st post. Villan in this hand just sat down.

I'm in the CO w/99

Preflop
UTG raises, MP folds, I 3-bet, Button folds, SB caps, BB folds, UTG calls, I call. (13 sb)

Flop- Ad, 7h, 5s
SB checks, UTG bets, I call, SB folds. (15 sb)

Turn- 8d
UTG bets, I call. (8 bb)

River- Ah
UTG bets, I fold.

I gave myself about 3 outs on the flop and picked up my gutshot on the turn. I think I had odds to call these bets, but felt like a huge fish calling down. Does anyone else play it like this?

[aargh57]

How do you get 3 outs on the flop? You've only got one card to a 2 gap backdoor straight draw. At most this is 1/2 of an out and I wouldn't even consider it here.
I think the flop is a raise or fold situation and I'm voting for fold. UTG bet into you after he reraised and there are no draws there that he could have. You also have to worry about the possibility of SB check/raising here. Unless UTG is a maniac I fold.

The post is fine. Check out the FAQ here if you want to get some pointers on hand posting but this is good.

I don't think that you had odds on the flop or turn. I would slightly discount your 2 9s there as well as there is a chance you are up agaisnt AA. and the double gut shot should only count as 0.5 outs. Therefore I would count it is 1.75+0.5= 2.25 rounded down to 2.

On the turn you did hit your gut shot, but now you are looking at 3.75 for the gutshot (another diamond would put 3 to a flush ont he board, so slight discount), and the 1.75 for the 9's is 5.5, again, pretty thin.

I don't know about the river fold, I may call this. But then again, I wouldn't have gotten to the point.

I fold this on the flop for 2 reasons:

1 - no odds
2 - SB capped and the odds of a Check/Raise by SB are pretty good.

Margon

[hobbsmann]

your flop call is thin, but it's fine IMO. Turn is good as now you have gutshot +set outs. Good fold on the river since you are beating nothing that is within the cold capping range of a reasonable player. Nice hand.

[tyler_cracker]

*grunch*

I like the 3-bet preflop. Buy the button, thin the field, maybe get a free look at the turn.

You have 2.5 outs on the flop (your 2-gap BDSD is worth about .5), are getting 14:1 to call, and the preflop capper remains to act behind you. This is tough without a read, but unless UTG is a maniac/idiot, you're way behind his range. You don't have implied odds to draw to your 2.5-outer. I think you can fold.

On the turn, you're getting 9:1 to draw at your 6-outer, so i guess you can peel there.

I don't like the river fold. You called the flop because (presumably) you thought you might be ahead. Then you change your mind and play like you have a (weak) drawing hand. That A didn't change anything -- you're still either WA or WB (probably WB). A yucky decision.

Just fold the flop and be done with it.

[milesdyson]

yeah, i don't understand the flop call. that guy bets into the preflop 3-bettor and capper, you're not closing the action either

I wasn't real worried about SB, he was pretty tight, seemed to me he was check folding KK or QQ (guess I should have said that earlier). Flop call is pretty thin, but with my set outs (if UTG has AA I'm going to lose a lot here) and 8 cards for a gutshot I thought I had just enough to call. Pot's getting pretty big and I figured it was worth 1 sb to see what the turn brought.

[milesdyson]

you know i didn't even see that he checked out of position. i thought he was yet to act.

[El Ishmael]

Flop seems close but not too bad. Effectively closing the action (I see SB check/raising here basically never, but this is just my experience) with 16:1, so you don't need to make up that much to break-even; around 3.5BBs or so. Problem is you're never going to be making that much money with the call IMO; UTG is probably not going to be bet/3-betting a turn 9 with AK (although some would) so he's not going to be putting in lots of bets without AA.

[TomBrooks]

I don't give autocredit for an Ace in 6max, although an Ace is the worst overcard that could come. You have second pair that beats middle pair.

I'd probably raise the flop. You could get TT, JJ, QQ or KK fold. They might just call you down though.

If three bet, call for set outs and fold to a the turn bet unless your getting pot odds to continue for the set and gutshot.

If utg calls and checks the turn, bet. He might fold here. If not, and he checks the river, check it though.
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If you don't like that line, the second best one I think would be fold the flop.
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PS: Welcome to the forums with your first thread and 1st and 2nd post.

12thR2a1stP

[Nilbud]

I haven't read any of the replies yet, but I'm going to say you should have folded the flop. I'm certain I'd fold it anyway...

If you think villan has an ace, and obviously you do if you're willing to fold the river, then you've only got two outs. That means the pot needs to be giving you 22 to 1 to call and you're only getting 13 to 1.

I think I remember a post where someone said "6-max is still poker", which I think is good advice here.

OK, you do have a backdoor straight draw, but It's still not enough.

[Pyromaniac]

*total grunch* (no skillz at 6-max)

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I gave myself about 3 outs on the flop

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How 3 outs? 2 9's left in the deck plus...? an out for the runner-runner straight possibility?

I don't think you've got the odds here, really, to keep going. Even on the turn. Although, really, by the numbers it's probably pretty close to the right odds. I don't know if that's enough to want to keep going with it. Maybe in 6-max it is? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

UTG is representing the A, at least, and may have it. Probably knows that you don't have it, though, as even Ace-rag would've (?) raised the flop.

The river card looks scary, but really, if you were beat on the flop you're still beat on the river. The question is whether UTG is playing *his* cards or *your* cards, since your flop actions says "don't got the ace".

If UTG is aggressing with overcards or a PP lower than yours (without hitting a set), you'd win. If UTG has an A or a PP higher than yours, you'd lose. But the action doesn't let us really get a read on it.

Raise or fold the flop, I guess. Don't stay to the river HU trying to crack Aces to get, what, maybe one more BB out of him. But if you do stay to the river, call down and see if he was playing overcards.

[IPSC]

I'm calling this river bet without a second thought against an unknown. If you had a read you could consider folding.

I'm unsure of the flop play. I can't believe the SB capped preflop and then folded for one bet on the flop. I want to raise this flop, but I don't see a raise folding the SB or getting UTG to slow down. You would also be exposed to likely 3-bet.

I thought about raising the turn for a free showdown, but against an unknown showing aggression I don't think this would be the best play.