Ultimate spreading Royal Holdem, but only limit

I guess it will be harder to collude as much because its limit, but I still say there aren't enough cards in the deck to make it a fair game if 2 or 3 out of six players are nexteling each other their hole cards.

I guess Im posting this first because noone else plays on UB anymore.

[Scotty O]

[ QUOTE ]
I guess it will be harder to collude as much because its limit, but I still say there aren't enough cards in the deck to make it a fair game if 2 or 3 out of six players are nexteling each other their hole cards.

I guess Im posting this first because noone else plays on UB anymore.

[/ QUOTE ]

Last I looked, 15k+ players as of 9:30 PM EST

[csuf_gambler]

what the fuk is royal holdem?

[Losing all]

Complete tard poker, how fun.

[uncleshady]

I just played it for a minute. Crazy. Flop two pair like every hand. Holdem with a pinochle deck. Sorta.

[Rasputin]

[ QUOTE ]
I just played it for a minute. Crazy. Flop two pair like every hand. Holdem with a pinochle deck. Sorta.

[/ QUOTE ]

A pinochle deck is double a euchre deck right? So the board could come out five aces.

What the hell kind of game is that?

[OrianasDaad]

[ QUOTE ]
what the fuk is royal holdem?

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm guessing that it's holdem with only Tens, Jacks, Queens, Kings, and Aces. If so, it can be dealt 7-handed with no burn cards. 6-handed with three burn cards.

Probably a nut-peddling game like Limit Omaha High, but with a higher risk of collusion, like the original poster stated, with the smaller deck. With two players holding 20% of the deck pre-flop, and with 35% known post flop, it would be incredibly easy to do. Add in the fact that everybody gets dealt broadway, and the worst you can have on the flop is a pair and a gutshot, and the fish have no chance.

31-1 to get pocket aces in this game.

Someone correct me, please, if I'm wrong about the structure of the game.

[Losing all]

Thats it

[ QUOTE ]
Complete tard poker, how fun.

[/ QUOTE ]

This game rules.

[UATrewqaz]

If one could quickly throw together the math for ap erfect EV strategy on this one could go clean up

Looks like people are playing it $1/$2 (only 6 max).

20 card deck, A-T of each card.

Every hand I've seen a winner is a full house, yet people still cap with 1 card straights, kinda sad.

[Losing all]

Instead of "what hands beat me", it's "what hands can I beat"

[flatline]

Played for a bit, and damn if this game isn't pure action. Very rare to see a fold pre-flop. I need to figure out the strategy for this game and start raking in the cash.

[popniklas]

[ QUOTE ]
If one could quickly throw together the math for ap erfect EV strategy on this one could go clean up

Looks like people are playing it $1/$2 (only 6 max).

20 card deck, A-T of each card.

Every hand I've seen a winner is a full house, yet people still cap with 1 card straights, kinda sad.

[/ QUOTE ]


Hmmm... how about something like this... play all pocket pairs and nothing else, play aggressively if you flop a set or better, fold if you don't.

Are ANY no pair hands worth playing? It would be nice if some math-savvy person could calculate how often the board will pair given that you have two cards of different rank in your hand. I'm guessing AKs will be still worth playing, but given how often the board pairs and someone will hold a boat/quads it might be marginal.

Which hands should be raised preflop? (A guess: AA and KK, plus occasionally lower pairs just to mix up your play.)

[timprov]

[ QUOTE ]


Hmmm... how about something like this... play all pocket pairs and nothing else, play aggressively if you flop a set or better, fold if you don't.

Are ANY no pair hands worth playing? It would be nice if some math-savvy person could calculate how often the board will pair given that you have two cards of different rank in your hand. I'm guessing AKs will be still worth playing, but given how often the board pairs and someone will hold a boat/quads it might be marginal.

Which hands should be raised preflop? (A guess: AA and KK, plus occasionally lower pairs just to mix up your play.)

[/ QUOTE ]

AK/AQ are quite a bit better than TT or JJ, as underfulls are sucker hands in this game.

[popniklas]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]


Hmmm... how about something like this... play all pocket pairs and nothing else, play aggressively if you flop a set or better, fold if you don't.

Are ANY no pair hands worth playing? It would be nice if some math-savvy person could calculate how often the board will pair given that you have two cards of different rank in your hand. I'm guessing AKs will be still worth playing, but given how often the board pairs and someone will hold a boat/quads it might be marginal.

Which hands should be raised preflop? (A guess: AA and KK, plus occasionally lower pairs just to mix up your play.)

[/ QUOTE ]

AK/AQ are quite a bit better than TT or JJ, as underfulls are sucker hands in this game.

[/ QUOTE ]

Okay... KQs should be okay to, due to its straight flush and nut flush potential, no? How about QJs, AJs and ATs?

Are you suggesting playing AKo and AQo in any position?

How should you play JJ and TT? Only in LP in unraised pots? How about QQ?

(Sorry if it's too many questions.. I got pretty into this game... never heard of it before.)

[popniklas]

Umm.. I can't find these games at UB?

[timprov]

[ QUOTE ]
Umm.. I can't find these games at UB?

[/ QUOTE ]

They're listed under holdem, with Type Royal. It's weird, but if you go to holdem and click on the type column they should pop to the top.

As for strategy: Thread (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2560738&an=&page=&vc=1) from the Other Poker archives.

[Obliky]

The most annoying thing about this game is the way everyone keeps saying 'nh' when someone gets a full house...

[popniklas]

Ok, thanks.

[Obliky]

Just giving this game a try..got quite an interesting situation i thought i would share:

If you have AA and flop top set, then you can only be beaten by quads or a str8 flush.

E.g.

You: AA
Opponent: KQ

Flop: A T J

Even though your opponent has you beaten, you can still only lose to quads or a str8 flush. This is because (barring quads or str8-flushs) one of 2 things will happen:

1, The board will pair, and you now have a full house beating villian's straight.

2, The board will make the nut str8 and you will split the pot.

This just shows how strong AA is in this game..

Conversely, i think hands like TT and JJ are poor as you are pretty much always going to be drawing to 2 outs.

[GrannyMae]

[ QUOTE ]
Just giving this game a try..got quite an interesting situation i thought i would share:

If you have AA and flop top set, then you can only be beaten by quads or a str8 flush.

E.g.

You: AA
Opponent: KQ

Flop: A T J

Even though your opponent has you beaten, you can still only lose to quads or a str8 flush. This is because (barring quads or str8-flushs) one of 2 things will happen:

1, The board will pair, and you now have a full house beating villian's straight.

2, The board will make the nut str8 and you will split the pot.

This just shows how strong AA is in this game..

Conversely, i think hands like TT and JJ are poor as you are pretty much always going to be drawing to 2 outs.

[/ QUOTE ]


great post. any other nuggets like this? or is it only AA flopped set that results in a situation /rule like this?

[Boolean]

Sigh, I guess I'm going to spoil the beans on how to really play this game. Pretty much, my starting hands consist of AA, KK, AK, KQ, and QQ. That's it. Suitedness has no effect as royals are so rare. It's of course a 20-card deck so your outs are like so:

After the flop:
1/15 = 1:14
2/15 = 1:7
3/15 = 1:4
4/15 = 1:2.75
5/15 = 1:2

After the turn:
1/14 = 1:13
2/14 = 6:1
3/14 = 3.7:1
4/14 = 2:5:1

Flopping a straight is an automuck in a full-table game. You are at best tied by the river. Bottom set is also pretty dangerous. Case in point:

You have JJ
flop shows KQJ
You lose to KQ and QQ (albeit unlikely) if a Q or a K comes, and even if you aren't behind them, an AK or KQ can also pick up an Ace or King on the river. Your best shot here is to have runner-runner Tens. The only hands that would beat you then are the other pocket pairs KK and QQ.

Middle set can be quite profitable if you know how to play it however. Case in point:

You have QQ, the flop shows KQT
If the board pairs the ten, you likely have the best hand unless you're up against KK. It's a very good way of getting a decent pot, and I play QQ for just this reason. If the K pairs however, you're losing to KT, KQ, and KJ and AK if they improve on the river.

Top set and top two pair is what you should shoot for. With top two pair you have 4 outs twice (provided there are no royal draws and you don't run into quads), or (4/15)+(4/14)=55% which means you're a favorite from the flop. Bet/raise/cap. Top set, likewise. Unless you run into quads or the board shows a straight, you will win.

Anywho, I know this is formatted pretty ugly, but I hope ya'll enjoy anyhow.

-Boolean

[Obliky]

[ QUOTE ]
any other nuggets like this? or is it only AA flopped set that results in a situation /rule like this?

[/ QUOTE ]

Thinking this through a bit more, when you have a set you can not lose to a straight (for the reasons stated in my previous post) as the board will always pair or make the nut straight (which is the only straight you can make in this game btw). The great advantage to having AAA is that you cannot lose to a higher full house, which is obviously your greatest concern if you flop a lower set.

I guess that when you flop a set you actually have either a straight or a full house... as its impossible to get to a showdown and just have a set.

The same also applies to trips..you will always make a str8 or full house by the river.

Also, the odds of flopping a set are 2.5:1, and the odds of making a set by the river are 1.2:1

[timprov]

Judging from the table chat, players are stumbling into the game not realizing the premise. I suspect we're in for a spate of "UB is rigged" posts.

[Lori]

I just got reported for cheating because apparently I knew what was coming /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Lori

[timprov]

[ QUOTE ]
I just got reported for cheating because apparently I knew what was coming /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Lori

[/ QUOTE ]

By somebody with a straight?

[theblitz]

More interesting points:

If the board does not pair then the best you are doing is splitting unless you have the flush. This is for the simple reason that the best hand is on the table.

If it is not a 3 or 4 flush board then it is a split.

The question is: how many of the players will realise that?

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2 pair is a dead hand. It cannot win ever.
This is why:

1. If the board didn't pair then you are at best splitting
2. If the board did pair (not on your cards) then at least 1 of the other players (assuming all 6 are in) MUST have either a str or a FH. This is because only 3 cards don't play so one of the players MUST have the card that completes the str.

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Trips are a dead hand unless you fill up. Same reason as above.

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I'm sure there are more and I will add them if I think of them.

This can be an amazing game to catch some fish.

[timprov]

[ QUOTE ]

2 pair is a dead hand. It cannot win ever.


[/ QUOTE ]

I've seen several showdowns where two pair beat a worse two pair, or players split playing the 2 pair on the board. It happens more often shorthanded.

[theblitz]

Yep.
But if all 6 players are in to the showdown then this can NEVER happen.

[theblitz]

He we go.

Very simple calculation:

Calculate the chance of board NOT pairing:
First card is irrelevant. Say A.
Second card must not be an A so can only be 16 out of the 19 left.
Third card is 12/18.
Fourth card is 8/17.
Fifth is 4/16.

Give 16/19 * 12/18 *8/17 * 4/16 = 0.066

So chance of pairing = 1-0.066 = 0.954 or 95.4%.

Next I need to calculate what the chances are of winning if you have a PP.

[Mason Hellmuth]

Here's my strategy so far:

Play AA. Catch top set. Cap every street.

And I'll say it again, don't play in my games!

[Obliky]

[ QUOTE ]
Here's my strategy so far:

Play AA. Catch top set. Cap every street.

And I'll say it again, don't play in my games!

[/ QUOTE ]

That could actually work..i calculated that the chances of you getting AA is about 31:1. Stick in KK and AK and your rocking!

Also, it seems your equity edge with big cards is reduced. I.e. AK is not as big a favorite against QJ as in normal Holdem.

[MarkGritter]

[ QUOTE ]
He we go.

Very simple calculation:

Calculate the chance of board NOT pairing:
First card is irrelevant. Say A.
Second card must not be an A so can only be 16 out of the 19 left.
Third card is 12/18.
Fourth card is 8/17.
Fifth is 4/16.

Give 16/19 * 12/18 *8/17 * 4/16 = 0.066

So chance of pairing = 1-0.066 = 0.954 or 95.4%.

Next I need to calculate what the chances are of winning if you have a PP.

[/ QUOTE ]

You can actually use standard tools like Pokenum or Pokerstove for this game, just mark all cards 9 and lower as dead.

[theblitz]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
He we go.

Very simple calculation:

Calculate the chance of board NOT pairing:
First card is irrelevant. Say A.
Second card must not be an A so can only be 16 out of the 19 left.
Third card is 12/18.
Fourth card is 8/17.
Fifth is 4/16.

Give 16/19 * 12/18 *8/17 * 4/16 = 0.066

So chance of pairing = 1-0.066 = 0.954 or 95.4%.

Next I need to calculate what the chances are of winning if you have a PP.

[/ QUOTE ]

You can actually use standard tools like Pokenum or Pokerstove for this game, just mark all cards 9 and lower as dead.

[/ QUOTE ]
/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Didn't think of that.
Though it is a lot of typing.

[GrannyMae]

ty ty

[dlk9s]

[ QUOTE ]
Judging from the table chat, players are stumbling into the game not realizing the premise. I suspect we're in for a spate of "UB is rigged" posts.

[/ QUOTE ]

I was thinking the same thing. There have GOT to be people playing this game that don't realize that it's Royal.

"Look at this hand history! What a run of cards!"

[SammyKid11]

[ QUOTE ]
Okay... KQs should be okay to, due to its straight flush and nut flush potential, no?

[/ QUOTE ]

Umm...I hate to break it to you, but there is no straight flush, there is no nut flush, there is only a royal flush. And you are as likely to get it with KQs as you are with ATs or AQs or KJs, etc. Flush=Winner in this game because every flush is royal.

[OrangeKing]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Okay... KQs should be okay to, due to its straight flush and nut flush potential, no?

[/ QUOTE ]

Umm...I hate to break it to you, but there is no straight flush, there is no nut flush, there is only a royal flush. And you are as likely to get it with KQs as you are with ATs or AQs or KJs, etc. Flush=Winner in this game because every flush is royal.

[/ QUOTE ]

Similarly, connectedness is worth exactly 0 in this game, because every straight is identical (A-T).

Edit: I did a lot of math on this game with the help of pokerstove when it first came out in play money. If I can find it, I'll post it here.

[UATrewqaz]

So suitedness and connectedness are virturally or totally worthless.

Thus the only value left is high card'ness and pair'ness.

I'm guessing AA/KK/AKs/AKo are the best hands in the game and if you stuck with these three you'd usually have the best of it.

What are the odds of getting one of these hands on a particular deal?

3.1% for AA
3.1% for KK
8.4% for AKs and AKo

Thus you have a 14.6% (1 in 7 roughly) chance of picking up one of these hands.

Solid?

[SoCalRugger]

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/2899/royalholdem1kk.jpg

I rule at this game.

[handsome]

Are the UB tables down? Can't connect to them.

[edfurlong]

I love that you are protecting the identity of your play money fish! /images/graemlins/cool.gif

This game is so good.

[David04]

Just hit my first ever royal flush playing this game. I feel like I cheated.

[B00T]

It is SO FUNNY watching people who dont realize its only T-A. Like its hysterical to watch the chat of people like I HAVE HAD THE BEST RUN OF CARDS EVER BUT CANT WIN.

[edfurlong]

I watched one guy flipping out about hacks at the table! He was pissed, made my day.

[Sponger15SB]

RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED

Hand #9173718-14692 at Play Chip 962f (10/20 play money Royal Hold'em)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 04/Nov/05 20:18:09

Sponger15aa is at seat 0 with 230.
bigj1us is at seat 1 with 1785.
Rynn22 is at seat 2 with 10265.
buypawn is at seat 3 with 860.
harleypower is at seat 4 with 1065.
nowetam41 is at seat 5 with 665.
The button is at seat 3.

harleypower posts the small blind of 5.
nowetam41 posts the big blind of 10.

Sponger15aa: Ad Ah
bigj1us: -- --
Rynn22: -- --
buypawn: -- --
harleypower: -- --
nowetam41: -- --

Pre-flop:

Sponger15aa raises to 20. bigj1us calls. Rynn22
calls. buypawn calls. harleypower calls.
nowetam41 re-raises to 30. Sponger15aa re-raises to
40. bigj1us calls. Rynn22 calls. buypawn calls.
harleypower calls. nowetam41 calls.

Flop (board: As Jc Ks):

harleypower checks. nowetam41 checks. Sponger15aa
bets 10. bigj1us calls. Rynn22 calls. buypawn
calls. harleypower calls. nowetam41 calls.

Turn (board: As Jc Ks Ts):

harleypower checks. nowetam41 checks. Sponger15aa
bets 20. bigj1us calls. Rynn22 calls. buypawn
folds. harleypower calls. nowetam41 calls.

River (board: As Jc Ks Ts Qd):

harleypower checks. nowetam41 checks. Sponger15aa
bets 20. bigj1us calls. Rynn22 calls. harleypower
calls. nowetam41 calls.



Showdown:

Sponger15aa shows Ad Ah.
Sponger15aa has Ad Jc Ks Ts Qd: straight, ace high.
bigj1us shows Kc Jh.
bigj1us has Kc Jh As Ts Qd: straight, ace high.
Rynn22 shows Tc Td.
Rynn22 has Tc As Jc Ks Qd: straight, ace high.
harleypower shows Qc Kh.
harleypower has Qc Kh As Jc Ts: straight, ace high.
nowetam41 shows Qs Ac.
nowetam41 has Qs Ac Jc Ks Ts: straight, ace high.


Hand #9173718-14692 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
harleypower wins 100 of a 500 pot with straight, ace high.
nowetam41 wins 100 of a 500 pot with straight, ace high.
Sponger15aa wins 100 of a 500 pot with straight, ace high.
bigj1us wins 100 of a 500 pot with straight, ace high.
Rynn22 wins 100 of a 500 pot with straight, ace high.
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[handsome]

WTF Sponger, stop playing Play Money and sit down on a real table. I'm up >100bb today. UB needs to spread 2/4 and higher.

[Greg J]

I want this game on Party! We should start a petition!

[Sponger15SB]

[ QUOTE ]
WTF Sponger, stop playing Play Money and sit down on a real table. I'm up >100bb today. UB needs to spread 2/4 and higher.

[/ QUOTE ]

I've got money coming to neteller or someone to even stake me if I want, hehe.

[jedi]

I wouldn't have found this game if it wasn't for you guys. This is awesome!

[IggyWH]

Quite an interesting game... took me a few hands to realize a flopped straight is HORRIBLE. I'd get all excited like I had the nuts /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Rasputin]

So I'm playing a little of this and micro levels and I have come to the conclusion that it is the most retarded game ever.

[ QUOTE ]
So I'm playing a little of this and micro levels and I have come to the conclusion that it is the most retarded game ever.

[/ QUOTE ]

What about WAR?

[jedi]

[ QUOTE ]
So I'm playing a little of this and micro levels and I have come to the conclusion that it is the most retarded game ever.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think we have yet to realize just how soft these games really are.

[IggyWH]

Can I consider getting a Royal as my first ever Royal Flush? I thought getting my first Royal would be a lot more enjoyable?!?!

[Rasputin]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
So I'm playing a little of this and micro levels and I have come to the conclusion that it is the most retarded game ever.

[/ QUOTE ]

What about WAR?

[/ QUOTE ]

War is better.

[Sponger15SB]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
So I'm playing a little of this and micro levels and I have come to the conclusion that it is the most retarded game ever.

[/ QUOTE ]

What about WAR?

[/ QUOTE ]

War is better.

[/ QUOTE ]

What is it good for?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

say it again

HUAH!

[jb9]

I'd just like to say... I'm a total fish at this game.

Whoo hoo! I got top two pair! I flopped the nut straight! Whoo hoo! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[UATrewqaz]

I agree, I watched a few tables (I have no money in UB at the moment) and people cap their 1 card straight like they think it's a good hand.

Holy [censored], i did not realize that about royals.

Is AK really worth much. I just won a 31.75 BB hand with it at 5c-10c WOOOOOOOOOO! But pockets are the only things worth raising, have not seen a royal yet

Are the 1-2 tables this loose?

[Snoogins47]

[ QUOTE ]
Holy [censored], i did not realize that about royals.

Is AK really worth much. I just won a 31.75 BB hand with it at 5c-10c WOOOOOOOOOO! But pockets are the only things worth raising, have not seen a royal yet

Are the 1-2 tables this loose?

[/ QUOTE ]

I won a 30bb pot at 1/2 last night.

So, possibly.

[UATrewqaz]

Another hillarious +EV factor is the simple idea that at least some volume of the players on this table do not KNOW they are playing "royal" hold em.

[Losing all]

[ QUOTE ]
Another hillarious +EV factor is the simple idea that at least some volume of the players on this table do not KNOW they are playing "royal" hold em.

[/ QUOTE ]


Someone forgot to tell the retards that KTs isn't a raising hand

[usmfan]

[ QUOTE ]
Another hillarious +EV factor is the simple idea that at least some volume of the players on this table do not KNOW they are playing "royal" hold em.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think I'm in love or hate, depending on the flop.

[Sponger15SB]

I'm currently at .01/.02 raising every street no matter what. This is so fun

[Sponger15SB]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm currently at .01/.02 raising every street no matter what. This is so fun

[/ QUOTE ]

Hand #9409855-279 at Derby ($.01/$.02 Royal Hold'em)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 05/Nov/05 01:45:34

MikeD is at seat 0 with $1.76.
Beaver777 is at seat 2 with $1.10.
unclelarrey is at seat 3 with $.29.
Sponger15aa is at seat 5 with $1.40.
The button is at seat 3.

Sponger15aa posts the small blind of $.01.
MikeD posts the big blind of $.01.

MikeD: -- --
Beaver777: -- --
unclelarrey: -- --
Sponger15aa: As Jc

Pre-flop:

Beaver777 calls. unclelarrey calls. Sponger15aa
raises to $.02. MikeD calls. Beaver777 calls.
unclelarrey calls.

Flop (board: Qh Th Qs):

Sponger15aa bets $.01. MikeD calls. Beaver777
raises to $.02. unclelarrey calls. Sponger15aa
re-raises to $.03. MikeD calls. Beaver777 calls.
unclelarrey calls.

Turn (board: Qh Th Qs Qc):

Sponger15aa bets $.02. MikeD folds. Beaver777
raises to $.04. unclelarrey calls. Sponger15aa
re-raises to $.06. Beaver777 re-raises to $.08.
unclelarrey calls. Sponger15aa calls.

River (board: Qh Th Qs Qc Tc):

Sponger15aa checks. Beaver777 bets $.02.
unclelarrey calls. Sponger15aa raises to $.04.
Beaver777 re-raises to $.06. unclelarrey calls.
Sponger15aa re-raises to $.08. Beaver777 calls.
unclelarrey calls.



Showdown:

Sponger15aa shows As Jc.
Sponger15aa has Qh Th Qs Qc Tc: full house, queens full of tens.
Beaver777 shows Qd Jd.
Beaver777 has Qd Jd Qh Qs Qc: four queens.
unclelarrey mucks cards.
(unclelarrey has Ts Ad.)


Hand #9409855-279 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
Beaver777 wins $.68 with four queens.
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[Sponger15SB]

This is incredible, I have literally raised everything. It doesn't matter, if they 3 bet me on the river and i have nothing I 4 bet... and yet [censored] like this happens /images/graemlins/confused.gif /images/graemlins/confused.gif /images/graemlins/confused.gif /images/graemlins/confused.gif /images/graemlins/confused.gif /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Hand #9409855-297 at Derby ($.01/$.02 Royal Hold'em)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 05/Nov/05 01:54:59

MikeD is at seat 0 with $1.90.
Beaver777 is at seat 2 with $1.60.
unclelarrey is at seat 3 with $0 (sitting out).
Sponger15aa is at seat 5 with $1.05.
The button is at seat 2.

Sponger15aa posts the small blind of $.01.
MikeD posts the big blind of $.01.

MikeD: -- --
Beaver777: -- --
Sponger15aa: Ad Js

Pre-flop:

Beaver777 raises to $.02. Sponger15aa re-raises to
$.03. MikeD calls. Beaver777 calls.

Flop (board: Kd Td As):

Sponger15aa bets $.01. MikeD calls. Beaver777
calls.

Turn (board: Kd Td As Ks):

Sponger15aa bets $.02. MikeD raises to $.04.
Beaver777 folds. Sponger15aa re-raises to $.06.
MikeD calls.

River (board: Kd Td As Ks Jd):

Sponger15aa bets $.02. MikeD calls.



Showdown:

Sponger15aa shows Ad Js.
Sponger15aa has Ad Js Kd As Ks: two pair, aces and kings.
MikeD shows Ah Kh.
MikeD has Ah Kh Kd As Ks: full house, kings full of aces.


Hand #9409855-297 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
MikeD wins $.28 with full house, kings full of aces.
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[usmfan]

Don't worry, I'm pretty sure I value-called the mortal nuts at least once.

[MarkGritter]

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Another hillarious +EV factor is the simple idea that at least some volume of the players on this table do not KNOW they are playing "royal" hold em.

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Someone forgot to tell the retards that KTs isn't a raising hand

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KTs? Feh. What I love are the players who start by trying to steal with JT offsuit on the button!

I have managed to overcome my inner fish and actually make a small profit at this game. It's pretty dumb.

[tonypaladino]

Yay! This crazy game gave me my 1st royal too.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9769/royalflush26pq.jpg

I like it. It's really easy to pull a sexy on the river with the nuts.

[IggyWH]

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Sponger15aa is at seat 5 with $1.40.

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I'm so used to sitting with the max that I can from playing NL on UB, that I sat at the .01/.02 royal table and bought in with $1400+. I bet everyone at the table figured I was an [censored].

[gabyyyyy]

Great game to clear the bonuses.

Kinda fun too.

[wonderwes]

I think UB has created a new monster for its site.

[usmfan]

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Great game to clear the bonuses.

Holy crap, it's fun too. Fun b/c I like making money.

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FYP

[gabyyyyy]

This guy at my table just said.

Amazing.

I never get hands like this.

He keeps raising every hand.. Has dropped about 75 percent of his buy in..

[usmfan]

Guy says "Best preflop hands I've ever had and nothing to show for it."

[gabyyyyy]

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Guy says "Best preflop hands I've ever had and nothing to show for it."

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Ya this is like a gold mine. You bastards stay off of my table.

[usmfan]

"Where are all the low cards?"

[mosquito]

Wow. Just played .5/1 for an hour.

Here's a hand. I hold AA on the button, raise in a multiway pot. Flop AJT rainbow, I bet. Turn K, still rainbow, it gets bet into me(!) and we cap (I can only lose to a four of a kind, win with a nut boat or chop w/ a straight).

River comes a ten. Opp w/ QQ bitches about getting rivered. What a great game!

Sadly, most of my hands had an J or a T in them. Lost my first three hands w/ AA (!!!) Still cashed out +6 BB. LOL.

[Losing all]

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Lost my first three hands w/ AA (!!!) Still cashed out +6 BB. LOL.

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The swings will be brutal in this game, but the EV is amazing at the moment. Forget the donks that don't even know what they're playing, I see many RHE salty dogs overplaying rags over and over again.

I disagree about the swings. The only hands I lost any decent amount of money on were when someone had a royal flush over my aces or kings full.

[popniklas]

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Okay... KQs should be okay to, due to its straight flush and nut flush potential, no?

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Umm...I hate to break it to you, but there is no straight flush, there is no nut flush, there is only a royal flush. And you are as likely to get it with KQs as you are with ATs or AQs or KJs, etc. Flush=Winner in this game because every flush is royal.

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Yeah, I know. Fuzzy thinking on my part. Everything I have said in this thread so far is embarrasingly stupid, so I take it back.

Having played the game a little, it seems like the good hands in this game are AA, KK, AK, QQ. AQ is okay too, KQ and AJ okay on the button and SB.

AT, KJ, JJ = Not sure, maybe just in SB or something like that

KT, QJ, QT, JT, TT = junk

Or at least something close to that. Not sure how to play against raises though.

[popniklas]

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Can I consider getting a Royal as my first ever Royal Flush? I thought getting my first Royal would be a lot more enjoyable?!?!

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You may not. I made three of them since yesterday. This game rocks. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[popniklas]

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I want this game on Party! We should start a petition!

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That would really be something... imagine 10-tabling 15/30 royal holdem or $1000 NLRHE... jesus.

[jman220]

This game is too easy to beat. I give it about one week before the rocks and people who know how to play it outnumber the fish 10:1.

[GrannyMae]

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I want this game on Party! We should start a petition!

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That would really be something... imagine 10-tabling 15/30 royal holdem or $1000 NLRHE... jesus.

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this will never be spread because of the collusion potential.

OTOH, i have been killing the $50 HU sNg's there for 2 days. i am 11 for 15. very soft players.

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I disagree about the swings. The only hands I lost any decent amount of money on were when someone had a royal flush over my aces or kings full.

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I take this back. I just lost about 22BB at one table... with a lot of preflop raising, I guess there can be swings. Still much less than a HE 6mmx table though.

[gabbahh]

After seeing how some of these ppl play, it is hard to imagine them playing LHE...
If they suc this much at RHE, they should be playing tic tac toe instead.

[largeeyes]

Flopping quads and losing really really sucks.

[FlyWf]

Check-folding a flopped fullhouse is a truly remarkable experience.

[largeeyes]

Why would you play KQ but not AQ?

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Sigh, I guess I'm going to spoil the beans on how to really play this game. Pretty much, my starting hands consist of AA, KK, AK, KQ, and QQ. That's it. Suitedness has no effect as royals are so rare. It's of course a 20-card deck so your outs are like so:

After the flop:
1/15 = 1:14
2/15 = 1:7
3/15 = 1:4
4/15 = 1:2.75
5/15 = 1:2

After the turn:
1/14 = 1:13
2/14 = 6:1
3/14 = 3.7:1
4/14 = 2:5:1

Flopping a straight is an automuck in a full-table game. You are at best tied by the river. Bottom set is also pretty dangerous. Case in point:

You have JJ
flop shows KQJ
You lose to KQ and QQ (albeit unlikely) if a Q or a K comes, and even if you aren't behind them, an AK or KQ can also pick up an Ace or King on the river. Your best shot here is to have runner-runner Tens. The only hands that would beat you then are the other pocket pairs KK and QQ.

Middle set can be quite profitable if you know how to play it however. Case in point:

You have QQ, the flop shows KQT
If the board pairs the ten, you likely have the best hand unless you're up against KK. It's a very good way of getting a decent pot, and I play QQ for just this reason. If the K pairs however, you're losing to KT, KQ, and KJ and AK if they improve on the river.

Top set and top two pair is what you should shoot for. With top two pair you have 4 outs twice (provided there are no royal draws and you don't run into quads), or (4/15)+(4/14)=55% which means you're a favorite from the flop. Bet/raise/cap. Top set, likewise. Unless you run into quads or the board shows a straight, you will win.

Anywho, I know this is formatted pretty ugly, but I hope ya'll enjoy anyhow.

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[jwesty5]

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This game is too easy to beat. I give it about one week before the rocks and people who know how to play it outnumber the fish 10:1.

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I couldn't agree with you more. The fish lose their money fast in this game. I'm up over 200BB in about four hours of play today wondering how long this can last.

[jwesty5]

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Why would you play KQ but not AQ?

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He might not because the K can slip in there and give a higher full house. FWIW I think AQ is definitely a playable hand along with the others mentioned. Basically anything with a Ten or a Jack in it is unplayable for me.

[wonderwes]

This game is odd but I am hooked on it.

[gildwulf]

I am dumb, I don't see Royal Holdem in the menu...where is it?

Edit: nevermind, It's in low limit

[Adam22]

i just found it too... you guys are all playing a .50/1 game?

[gildwulf]

I'm in Tuscon and Beaumont...give a brown trout if you're playing:)

[pokergrader]

Hmmm...

I just won a 4-way pot with AA on a QQTTK board

That has to be the most surprising showdown victory of my poker career.

[2+2 wannabe]

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Hmmm...

I just won a 4-way pot with AA on a QQTTK board

That has to be the most surprising showdown victory of my poker career.

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KJ vs. KJ vs. AK?

[pokergrader]

AK v AK v JJ

[jman220]

So I'm playing AA, KK, QQ, AK, maybe AQ, and maybe KQ. What are you guys limping with versus what are you guys raising with, and from what position?

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I'd definately play both AQ and KQ, I just forgot to include it as I was pretty tired. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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I sometimes raise with AA, sometimes not. I sometimes raise with KK, sometimes not. I sometimes raise with AK, sometimes not. AQ and KQ, I usually limp with. The reason I don't raise all of my top hands is for deception purposes. This of course assumes the people in your game generally know how to play. As far as position goes, has anyone found if position really affects play here? I've found either you flop a good hand/draw, or you fold regardless of position.

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Here's a question. Since this game plays so soft, for the time being anyhow, what kind of bankroll would you assume is needed for this game? From what I've seen, as long as you know how to get away from a hand and how to push your big edges, the low swings are few and far between. I could be running hot, however. Thoughts?

[Mason Hellmuth]

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This of course assumes the people in your game generally know how to play.

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Terrible assumption. Do you see why? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[jwesty5]

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I sometimes raise with AA, sometimes not. I sometimes raise with KK, sometimes not. I sometimes raise with AK, sometimes not. AQ and KQ, I usually limp with. The reason I don't raise all of my top hands is for deception purposes. This of course assumes the people in your game generally know how to play. As far as position goes, has anyone found if position really affects play here? I've found either you flop a good hand/draw, or you fold regardless of position.

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I don't think position really matters much. Like you said typically your either flopping top two or a set or your folding your hand.

Do you really think the people playing these games notice what you raising with? I've found theres usually one or two people playing who don't even know their playing Royal Holdem.

I raise with AA, AK, KK 100% of the time and dont think anybody even notices.

[jman220]

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I sometimes raise with AA, sometimes not. I sometimes raise with KK, sometimes not. I sometimes raise with AK, sometimes not. AQ and KQ, I usually limp with. The reason I don't raise all of my top hands is for deception purposes. This of course assumes the people in your game generally know how to play. As far as position goes, has anyone found if position really affects play here? I've found either you flop a good hand/draw, or you fold regardless of position.

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I don't think position really matters much. Like you said typically your either flopping top two or a set or your folding your hand.

Do you really think the people playing these games notice what you raising with? I've found theres usually one or two people playing who don't even know their playing Royal Holdem.

I raise with AA, AK, KK 100% of the time and dont think anybody even notices.

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Just had my first royal flush burn someone's four of a kind. This is a fun game.

Just think how sick this will be if they spread NL. Straights calling all ins on the turn with the 'nuts'.

[IggyWH]

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Just think how sick this will be if they spread NL. Straights calling all ins on the turn with the 'nuts'.

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I don't think this game would be good NL. The swings that can happen from turn to river are just too huge.

[chadplusplus]

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i just found it too... you guys are all playing a .50/1 game?

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1/2 here... oh and I learned a bitter lesson about pocket jacks

BTW, this game is friggin awesome.

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Just think how sick this will be if they spread NL. Straights calling all ins on the turn with the 'nuts'.

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I don't think this game would be good NL. The swings that can happen from turn to river are just too huge.

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I have never played, and have no experience with this game aside from playing poker once against a friend with a euchre deck, and from reading this thread.

Why are the swings in this game higher than in normal Hold'em?

[IggyWH]

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Why are the swings in this game higher than in normal Hold'em?

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I don't know if they are or not, my comment was talking about Royal spread as NL. From my personal experience playing though I've had many outcomes of hands change drasticly from turn to river.

[bobbyi]

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Why are the swings in this game higher than in normal Hold'em?

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It's easier to hit a two outer when the deck has less than half as many cards.

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Why are the swings in this game higher than in normal Hold'em?

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It's easier to hit a two outer when the deck has less than half as many cards.

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And the small deck (combined with loose opponents) also frequently gives you pot odds to chase those two-outers.

[mosquito]

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Why are the swings in this game higher than in normal Hold'em?

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It's easier to hit a two outer when the deck has less than half as many cards.

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And the small deck (combined with loose opponents) also frequently gives you pot odds to chase those two-outers.

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Yes, AA is a thru ticket in many pots.

I'm finding a few more players are playing decent, don't know if it is just them or 2+2'ers. Still the games are great. Hoping it lasts a couple weeks, I might actaully clear my 1K$ of bonus.....

[Sponger15SB]

The game is horrible now. I just joined a 3 handed $1/2 game with two 2+2ers and one person who I didn't know that was playing decent and was probably also a 2+2er.

Yuck.

The avg VPIP in .25/.50 is around 50%, go up in limits and it drops quickly. In .25/.5 nut peddling (cap KK and AA, call a raise with AK, limp AQ) and continuing only if you flop 2-pair yeilds a decent hourly rate (relative to the BB at least). It's so mindless that you can put the table in mini-mode and play three tables (UB max) while multitabling another site. Easy side money.

[thatpfunk]

its like watching paint dry. i want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon.

[Greg J]

What limits are being offered?

[DeuceHigh80]

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The avg VPIP in .25/.50 is around 50%, go up in limits and it drops quickly.

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Are you bringing these games into poker tracker? Same database as normal holdem? I just signed up at UB today so I didn't have it configured to be imported in to PT. I was debating whether I even wanted to because of what it would do to individual hand statistics -- seems it would really distort some of the usual premium hands like JJ and TT. (I almost folded TT the first time I got it in a real game after I spent an hour playing this crap...)

[Slow Play Ray]

this game [censored] rules.

not only is it full of fish (some of whom it takes 15-20 hands to realize "something's different"), but damn it feels good to get 5 royals in 248 hands /images/graemlins/grin.gif

*Edit* Make that 6 royals in 263 hands.

Hell no is this touching my pt database. UB displays avg VPIP in the lobby.

I played about 300 hands and didn't get one royal /images/graemlins/frown.gif What starting hands are you playing? I don't play any connectors except AK and AQ (KQ from button with 3 limpers). I don't think it's plus EV to chase a royal unless you get a free turn. No way am I chasing to the river without top two or a high set.

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The avg VPIP in .25/.50 is around 50%, go up in limits and it drops quickly.

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Are you bringing these games into poker tracker? Same database as normal holdem? I just signed up at UB today so I didn't have it configured to be imported in to PT. I was debating whether I even wanted to because of what it would do to individual hand statistics -- seems it would really distort some of the usual premium hands like JJ and TT. (I almost folded TT the first time I got it in a real game after I spent an hour playing this crap...)

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PT will throw an error if you try to import any Royal hands.

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(I almost folded TT the first time I got it in a real game after I spent an hour playing this crap...)

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Don't ever play lowball, a royal is the worst possible hand =D

[34TheTruth34]

Interesting game. I'd never folded QJ on an A-K-T flop before...

[timprov]

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PT will throw an error if you try to import any Royal hands.

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It worked perfectly for me, except it treats the BB as if it were NL.

[chadplusplus]

There were these two guys at my table who were hemmoraging chips at an ubelievable pace. When the one guy had lost his $100 buyin, an observer, apparently a friend, came to the table and explained the game to him in the chat window. I never wanted to physically pummel a person so badly in my life... well, at least in a long dang time. Unfortunately, I've never flopped so many straights in my life /images/graemlins/frown.gif

FWIW, my preflop strategy is to limp with AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ, KQ (since we're nutpeddling, I want people in to make second best hands) at a loose table or raising to steal blinds at 2+2 table and call raises with AA, KK, QQ, AK (I should probably remove QQ, its at best a marginal call here).

Interestingly, if two tight players get into a raising war, you may want to call with your rags:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 27.8238 % 19.58% 08.25% { KK+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 2: 27.8238 % 19.58% 08.25% { KK+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 3: 44.3523 % 42.50% 01.85% { QQ }

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 31.1974 % 18.84% 12.36% { KK+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 2: 31.1974 % 18.84% 12.36% { KK+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 3: 37.6052 % 35.44% 02.17% { JTs, JTo }

Edit: BTW, I have no idea who you guys are who play at UB, but I can tell the 2+2 table from the "fold, fold, raise, fold, fold, fold" action.

[stigmata]

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my preflop strategy is to limp with AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ, KQ

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I been raising in position with AA and AK.

Also, anyone else have PT problems with this game? I thought it would just work....

[BOTW]

http://www.pokertracker.com/patch.html

November 7, 2005 - Version 2.09.03 - What's included?

NEW - UB Royal Hold'em games supported. The text "(Royal)" will appear in the game level description.

[wonderwes]

What stakes has everyone been playing at? How much EV+ have you made?

I have just been practicing at .05/.10 stakes.