Going from4 to 8 tables, transition question

[jokerthief]

What kind of ROI drop can I expect going to 8 tables in the $55's after I've gotten used to having 4 more tables? How about the $33's?

Also how hard is the transition and how long does it typicaly take? I plan on dropping down to the $11's and playing until I've won ten buy ins before moving up. I'm going to do this for the $22's and the $33's as well. Any other info on this transition will be greatly appreciated. *FWIW-I will have a two 2001fp set up.

Thanks

***Edit, I do plan on moving up to 6 first. I just want to know what to expect at 8.

You should first move to 6 tables and get used to that before moving to 8, and it's not even close!

[jokerthief]

I do plan on moving up to 6 first. I just want to know what to expect at 8.

[pergesu]

You can't "expect" anything. Poker's not anything like that. You play the best you can, and sometimes the money flows in, sometimes it flows out. Add two tables and see how that goes. When you're comfortable, add two more.

Nobody can predict how 8-tabling will turn out for you. The only thing you can expect is less time to make decisions.

[jokerthief]

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You can't "expect" anything. Poker's not anything like that. You play the best you can, and sometimes the money flows in, sometimes it flows out. Add two tables and see how that goes. When you're comfortable, add two more.

Nobody can predict how 8-tabling will turn out for you. The only thing you can expect is less time to make decisions.

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Right, I know I've heard this a million times and it's BS. I have a rough estimation of my ROI and I can generally trust it to give me an idea of how much money I can expect to have after a few thousand sngs. I'm asking people how ROI was affected for them after getting used to eight tables with the assumption that it is natually going to decrease. I realize that I am an idividual and I don't expect any of you to nail it to down to a percentage point. I just want some *very* rough number so I can decide whether to move up or to add tables. I realize I won't know anything 100% until I try it myself but I think you underestimate how useful various rough estimates can be for me.

[SammyKid11]

My transition went like this. I 4-tabled the 22's for a couple of months (just started playing SnG's full-time about 3.5 months ago). I was playing on a crappy CRT. When I had access to enough spare money, I bought two 2001FP's during a special.

The first thing I did was go straight to 8-tabling. I knew this was not a good idea, but I wanted to sort of "shock" my system into the kind of speed it would take. Not surprisingly, I went 0-for-8. So...as I was planning on doing either way, I dropped down to 6 tables and played that way for about 2 weeks. When 6 felt slow (ie- I found myself browsing the net, keeping an eye on the game, etc.), I moved back up to 8. First couple of sets were difficult, but I was much better adjusted this time.

Now, only a couple weeks into full-time 8-tabling, it feels pretty easy. I'm used to the speed, my reactions are quicker, etc. Sure, when I find myself on the bubble in 8 games all at once it gets a little hectic, but nothing that can't be handled.

Nevertheless, the only way to find out how it'll work for you is for you to give it a try.

[unreal_nh]

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I just want some *very* rough number so I can decide whether to move up or to add tables.

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+/- 200%

[valenzuela]

It really depends. For instance I have overlap when I 8 table and I ocasionaly make misclicks( im still getting used to 8 tabling)

[AllinDan]

I actually found the switch to 8 pretty easy. Just got a 2001 fp about 1.5 months ago to add to my 1901fp (I can't wait to upgrade that one to a 2001, theres such a huge difference) and I pretty much dove right in to 8 tabling. When I 4 tabled, it never held my attention enough and I always surfed 2+2 and other sites. Moving to 8 actually makes me pay more attention. My ROI has dropped 2-3 % points in a very small sample size, but $/hr has gone way up. Just get your monitor, start messing around and do whatevers comfortable for you. None of us can predict how you'll adjust to the faster decisions.

[jokerthief]

Do you think that your ROI is lower now that you are used to it than it was when you were 4 tableing? Can you estimate how much it dropped if it did go down? I would be happy with a confidence of only 25% on that number, I just need something rough to aid my decision to move up or play more tables right now.

Thanks a lot for your other comments, they were extremely useful.

[jokerthief]

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I just want some *very* rough number so I can decide whether to move up or to add tables.

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+/- 200%

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[Freudian]

I went straight from 4 to 8 tables. No big adjustment and no hit to my ROI. What I had to do was to cut out the browsing/watching TV while playing.

[valenzuela]

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I went straight from 4 to 8 tables. No big adjustment and no hit to my ROI. What I had to do was to cut out the browsing/watching TV while playing.

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Same here, my only issue is overlap. No I cant buy a bigger monitor.

[downtown]

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Do you think that your ROI is lower now that you are used to it than it was when you were 4 tableing? Can you estimate how much it dropped if it did go down? I would be happy with a confidence of only 25% on that number, I just need something rough to aid my decision to move up or play more tables right now.

Thanks a lot for your other comments, they were extremely useful.

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Play more tables, then move up, while still playing that # of tables. Play 10. It's not as bad as it sounds.

[psyduck]

4, 8, 12 tabling, it's all the same. Just make sure that you have some distractions since you'll be bored unless you're 24-tabling.

I've done 32 before and that was pretty tough. 8 is cake.

[SammyKid11]

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Do you think that your ROI is lower now that you are used to it than it was when you were 4 tableing? Can you estimate how much it dropped if it did go down? I would be happy with a confidence of only 25% on that number, I just need something rough to aid my decision to move up or play more tables right now.

Thanks a lot for your other comments, they were extremely useful.

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Well, look - I don't know how much my numbers can possibly mean since I've only been 8-tabling for ~2 weeks. However, my ROI has gone up substantially since I've been 8-tabling. I've been thinking about why -- very possible that I'm just on a nice heater. I also feel like when I'm playing 8 I get just slightly less bored in the early game, minimizing the risk that I'll do something stupid with marginal cards...therefore maximizing the chances that I'll make the late, high-blind game in each tourney -- where, obviously we know, our advantages over other players are at their widest point.

But, then again, maybe I'm just on a heater. I will say, though, that now that I'm used to it, I certainly don't think I play noticeably worse at all. It'll really be up to how you handle the transition in your own personal case, though.

[RikaKazak]

yep, the t.v. is killing me when I 10 table now, but making the band 3 girls NEED to be watched, LOL, btw, 8 tabling is easy.

[axeshigh]

Story time:

I started out at the 55s playing 4 tables. I played 700 in august with a ROI of 22%. The last 250 or so I was so bored that I wasn't even looking at the games while playing: I was browsing the net or chatting. So I bought another monitor to start 8-tabling in september. My ROI went down to 10% over 1000 sngs that month, and 9% over 600 sngs in october.

Now, the 12-13% ROi drop can be due to:

1) playing 8 tables.
2) getting off a heater / starting a downswing
3) the games getting harder
4) me getting worse
5) a combination of these factors

Your pick.

Rough estimate: +/- 15% ROI

[TheNoodleMan]

As others have said, try 6 and see how you feel about it. If you feel rushed, stick with 6 until you are comfortable.
Personally, I played one set of 6 tables and knew right away that I could handle more.
I advise you to get Tweak UI (if you haven't already), you really don't want to be wasting time clicking the same action twice.

[Bluff Daddy]

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Tweak UI (if you haven't already),

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I like to use MTH for multi-tabling. You can find it in the Software forum, it's written by OrcaDK. It automatically arranges the tables of party skins to the four corners of your monitor(s) and puts the active table in the same spot. It also enables keyboard shortcuts. It makes multi-tabling very nice.

[jeffraider]

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I went straight from 4 to 8 tables. No big adjustment and no hit to my ROI. What I had to do was to cut out the browsing/watching TV while playing.

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Ditto! Moving to 10 tables has been okay too but since I've only got two monitors hooked up I have two tables of stressful overlap.

[TheNoodleMan]

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Tweak UI (if you haven't already),

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It is a program that allows you to tweak the user interface on windows, For the pupose of multitabling the best feature is something call x-mouse. X-mouse makes whatever window your mouse is on the active window. I'm sure that you have noticed that when you are multitabling that you have to click the call button twice (once to activate the window and once more to actually call). Tweak UI makes it so you only have to click once because the window is already active. This will save you effort and time, as well as help prevent CT syndrome beacuse you will be physically clicking the mouse less often.
tweak UI download (http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file_description/0,fid,2803,00.asp)