Blind stealing with A9

[Spicymoose]

Villain was 32/28/3.8 but only after around 50 or so hands.

I was probably just going to call the flop, and fold the turn if the board were complete rags. Also, I was checking the river UI.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

How is this a steal? A9 off is a quality hand in late position on shorthanded tables.

Most people 3 bet a percieved steal with pairs, high cards, and Ax.

Him slowing down on the flop and just calling the turn, most likely means he was afraid of the straight or overpair.

Him calling the river most likely means his piece was at least a pair, unless he percieved you to be agro and then may have called down with A high.

Anyway value betting the 9 is fine against many shorthanded players.

[giant sand]

I would probably check the turn here. Given his stats, he's unlikely to fold to your bet.

I would value bet the river, like you did

[Spicymoose]

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I would probably check the turn here.

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If you check this turn, there is a high probability of him betting the river if a rag falls. Are you calling?

[Danenania]

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Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9, A.
2 folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 5, 6, 7 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

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This is good. I think checking the turn can also be okay. Opponent/image/feel dependent.

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Also, I was checking the river UI.

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This is good.

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I was probably just going to call the flop, and fold the turn if the board were complete rags.

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This is not good.

[Spicymoose]

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I was probably just going to call the flop, and fold the turn if the board were complete rags.

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This is not good.

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Can you give me a good line against someone who 3-bets out of the SB in a situation like this when rags fall?

[giant sand]

If a rag comes on the river and he bets, the chances are that with A9 you're beat, so I'll fold the river

[Danenania]

You can raise the flop a lot. Sometimes you can raise the turn. Sometimes just calling down is best. Your hand is way too good to just call along then fold the turn/river though. You should see a showdown a big majority of the time.

[Spicymoose]

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You can raise the flop a lot. Sometimes you can raise the turn. Sometimes just calling down is best. Your hand is way too good to just call along then fold the turn/river though. You should see a showdown a big majority of the time.

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What range do you put SB on?

I probably call the flop and fold the turn UI against most opponents. Or if Im going to raise, I think you're more likely to get somewhere raising the turn.

[Danenania]

That's your job. But I'll tell you I think it's definitely way too wide for you to be doing much folding on raggedy boards postflop.

[Spicymoose]

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That's your job. But I'll tell you I think it's definitely way too wide for you to be doing much folding on raggedy boards postflop.

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A6s+, A8+, K7s+, K9+, Q8s+, QT+, JTs, 55+.

I guess you are right that I am ahead of quite a few of these, but I am also behind a bunch. Also, my read on villain isn't all that solid, and the tighter he gets (the more closer to the average player), the smaller his range becomes, and the more likely I am behind.

How bad a hand do you see to the river with a bunch of rags against this 3-bet? A2? K9?

Edit: Just thought of this, but as they continue to bet the flop, turn, and river, their range of hands narrows significantly towards hands that beat you. Although the pot is also getting bigger, so this may be a counter weight, but it seems like there should be some complicated math involved, and that this may not be such an easy call down....

I dunno, do other people think this is easy to call down? Or at least play back somewhere?

[Danenania]

I think his 3-betting range is probably a little bit wider but I'll use yours.


Board: 7s 8c 3d
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 46.2924 % 44.28% 02.02% { A9o }
Hand 2: 53.7076 % 51.69% 02.02% { 55+, A6s+, K7s+, Q8s+, JTs, A8o+, K9o+, QTo+ }

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Board: 7s 8c 3d 2c
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 45.5288 % 43.08% 02.45% { A9o }
Hand 2: 54.4712 % 52.02% 02.45% { 55+, A6s+, K7s+, Q8s+, JTs, A8o+, K9o+, QTo+ }

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56,629,674 games 33.388 secs 1,696,108 games/sec

Board: 7s 8c 3d 2c 6s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 44.2526 % 42.29% 01.96% { A9o }
Hand 2: 55.7474 % 53.79% 01.96% { 55+, A6s+, K7s+, Q8s+, JTs, A8o+, K9o+, QTo+ }


You are close to even money on this flop and getting about 13.5:5 on a call down. You're even better off than this though since you can raise flop to make him fold 6 outers on the turn. You'll also be able to get off cheap when he plays back at you. As you can see, folding is quite disastrous.