(11) pocket nines with rag flop

hows my play here?

***** Hand History for Game 2974939606 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17107635 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Thursday, November 03, 17:03:01 EDT 2005
Table Table 67024 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Zbeldino ( $770 )
Seat 2: hello154 ( $735 )
Seat 3: flagetbraves ( $425 )
Seat 4: SirIssac77 ( $800 )
Seat 5: wazzuamigos ( $900 )
Seat 6: fergied ( $1300 )
Seat 7: playercsl ( $800 )
Seat 8: macmax222 ( $720 )
Seat 9: snapfc1105 ( $775 )
Seat 10: Meloco69 ( $775 )
Trny:17107635 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Zbeldino [ 9s 9c ]
wazzuamigos folds.
fergied folds.
playercsl calls [15].
macmax222 folds.
snapfc1105 folds.
Meloco69 folds.
Zbeldino calls [15].
hello154 calls [15].
flagetbraves calls [5].
SirIssac77 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 5c, 7s ]
flagetbraves checks.
SirIssac77 bets [55].
playercsl folds.
Zbeldino raises [150].
hello154 folds.
flagetbraves folds.
SirIssac77 calls [95].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
SirIssac77 checks.
Zbeldino checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 5s ]
SirIssac77 bets [300].
Zbeldino raises [600].
SirIssac77 calls [300].

[pineapple888]

Bet that turn, man. What are you waiting around for???

don't know... guess I thought slow playing would be a good idea. what would you bet on the turn/river?

[mlagoo]

this all looks good, but just push the river. no need to get all cutesy.

i don't mind the turn check.

well i basically did push the river, had only 5 chips left after the minraise

[pineapple888]

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don't know... guess I thought slow playing would be a good idea. what would you bet on the turn/river?

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Depends on my read, but at least $175. The nine almost certainly changed nothing from his point of view, and he seems eager to come along on the flop, so charge him to see another card.

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well i basically did push the river, had only 5 chips left after the minraise

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Then why did you save them? No minraise, just push.

[playtitleist]

No need to slow play. He doesn't think that 9 helped you.

i guess i just felt like pushing the raise button, but I see your point

[Slim Pickens]

I would bet the turn, probably in the range of 125 to chase away gutshots. You're probably not getting paid off by second or third pair anyway unless they hit their two-outer to trips. The board could get very scary for top set with a 4, 6, or 8. There are certainly times when it's appropriate to check behind on the turn after hitting a huge, disguised hand, but this isn't one of them. If the flop was [ 2h, 6c, 8s ], the risk of losing big when checking behind is more likely offset by what you win when a Q falls on the river and he makes his garbage 2-pair.

Push the river, lazy bastard. Are those last 5 chips to heavy for you? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

haha yeah. thanks for the advise all, this really does help a lot

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I would bet the turn, probably in the range of 125 to chase away gutshots. You're probably not getting paid off by second or third pair anyway unless they hit their two-outer to trips. The board could get very scary for top set with a 4, 6, or 8. There are certainly times when it's appropriate to check behind on the turn after hitting a huge, disguised hand, but this isn't one of them. If the flop was [ 2h, 6c, 8s ], the risk of losing big when checking behind is more likely offset by what you win when a Q falls on the river and he makes his garbage 2-pair.

Push the river, lazy bastard. Are those last 5 chips to heavy for you? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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absolutely great point, something I stumbled upon last night when they caught that miracle card.

[patrick dicaprio]

i cant fault your play here. maybe checking the turn isnt the best play but if that enables you to get him all in on the river with something like A5 or A& where he would have folded to a bet on the turn so much the better.

Pat

[ChrisV]

Slowplaying is a disease.

200 would be a good bet on the turn. It's enough to pot commit him if he has a pair. It's also small enough that it looks like you might be a bit scared. Finally, it's big enough that even counting implied odds, it makes it a mistake for him to draw to just a gutshot.