pstars deepstack 20$ hand

I am a tournament donkey and don't play many of them. I wasted 9 hours of my time to make one colossal screw up and finish 12th out of 959.

How was I supposed to play this? I am guessing check/fold the turn right? I know calling on both streets was clearly incorrect and I should have either check/folded or pushed the turn.

Did I raise enough on the flop?

I don't have that good of a read on villain because I had been playing for 9 hours and was mentally exhausted. The few hands I watched him in though would seem to indicate he doesn't call raises with connectors (78) but instead opens with them.


PokerStars Game #2960890740: Tournament #14413902, Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII
(4000/8000) - 2005/11/03 - 03:13:39 (ET)
Table '14413902 99' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: WaffleMcHat (551455 in chips)
Seat 4: Harberts (591770 in chips)
Seat 5: FedePoker (297038 in chips)
Seat 6: buckeb024 (1069010 in chips)
Seat 7: captain14 (147692 in chips)
Seat 8: Forcey17 (178363 in chips)
WaffleMcHat: posts the ante 400
Harberts: posts the ante 400
FedePoker: posts the ante 400
buckeb024: posts the ante 400
captain14: posts the ante 400
Forcey17: posts the ante 400
Forcey17: posts small blind 4000
WaffleMcHat: posts big blind 8000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to WaffleMcHat [Td 9s]
Harberts: raises 16000 to 24000
FedePoker: folds
buckeb024: calls 24000
captain14: folds
Forcey17: folds
WaffleMcHat: calls 16000
*** FLOP *** [6s Tc 9h]
WaffleMcHat: checks
Harberts: bets 32000
buckeb024: calls 32000
WaffleMcHat: raises 168000 to 200000
Harberts: folds
buckeb024: calls 168000
*** TURN *** [6s Tc 9h] [7s]
WaffleMcHat: checks
buckeb024: bets 152000
WaffleMcHat: calls 152000
*** RIVER *** [6s Tc 9h 7s] [4h]
WaffleMcHat: checks
buckeb024: bets 216000
WaffleMcHat: calls 175055 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
buckeb024: shows [8d 8c] (a straight, Six to Ten)
WaffleMcHat: shows [Td 9s] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
buckeb024 collected 1164510 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1164510 | Rake 0
Board [6s Tc 9h 7s 4h]
Seat 1: WaffleMcHat (big blind) showed [Td 9s] and lost with two pair, Tens and
Nines
Seat 4: Harberts folded on the Flop
Seat 5: FedePoker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: buckeb024 showed [8d 8c] and won (1164510) with a straight, Six to Ten
Seat 7: captain14 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Forcey17 (small blind) folded before Flop

I finally get a chance of making my first final table out of 30+ tournaments and blow it. Kill me now.

[ansky451]

I think you played it fine, you are being uber results oriented IMO. I would never check/fold top two on that turn, and especially not in these circumstances.

[RutgersKev]

would he go all in on the river without an 8 or a set? I don't think so.

Your play was fine. A donkey sucked out on you by making a call that he definitely should not have. You want them chasing their 5 outs with approx. 2:1 pot odds. You will win more often when bad players make mistakes like this so just chalk this one up as a "bad beat".

With that in mind, this is definitely a bad beat post and the type of thing that is frowned upon in this, and other, forums. Some posters will go so far as to berate your post for its bad beat content. It's also generally bad form to post screennames in your hand histories. You should use the hand converters whose links are in the stickied anthology post.

[badluckal]

I think you played it fine until the turn. I fold there.

Sure, villan made a bad call with his gutshot, but with a 4-straight on the turn, the value of your top 2 has gone way down. What could he flat-call your flop raise with that you are still beating on the turn?

[schwza]

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I think you played it fine until the turn. I fold there.

Sure, villan made a bad call with his gutshot, but with a 4-straight on the turn, the value of your top 2 has gone way down. What could he flat-call your flop raise with that you are still beating on the turn?

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AT, KT, QT, JT, A9, K9, Q9, J9, T7, T6, 97, 96 all look more likely than 88 after the flop action. probably some others too.

Sorry about the bad beat elements in the post. I tried to edit it but its been too long.

Im still uncertain if I should have check/folded the turn or just pushed on it. With 3 people left to go before the final table I want to go with check/fold but like I said, im not good at tournaments.

[Sam T.]

Fold pre-flop. You've got a 4BB raise, and a cold-caller. Name two hands you're ahead of here.

[TomHimself]

[ QUOTE ]
Fold pre-flop. You've got a 4BB raise, and a cold-caller. Name two hands you're ahead of here.

[/ QUOTE ]theres nothing wrong with his of call

[Sam T.]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Fold pre-flop. You've got a 4BB raise, and a cold-caller. Name two hands you're ahead of here.

[/ QUOTE ]theres nothing wrong with his of call

[/ QUOTE ]

Explain please. I assume it's the depth of his stack (and everyone else's), but calling raisers with unsuited connectors seems like a real leak.

[schwza]

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Fold pre-flop. You've got a 4BB raise, and a cold-caller. Name two hands you're ahead of here.

[/ QUOTE ]

i agree to fold pre-flop, but i don't think a call is horrible.

[nath]

It's not a bad call. The raise was 3xBB, not 4x, so hero is getting nearly 4:1 odds to call here with a medium-high connector, and has the chips to take a gamble here. It's fine and I frequently make calls like this.

Your opponent is a donkey. Sorry the hand went sour on you.

Assuming I did check/call on the turn. Should i have folded to the river bet that would have put me all in and left myself with 175k or so?

[ansky451]

Um getting like 8-1 with top 2? no.

This hand was played fine, stop being a results oriented weak tightie.

[badluckal]

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I think you played it fine until the turn. I fold there.

Sure, villan made a bad call with his gutshot, but with a 4-straight on the turn, the value of your top 2 has gone way down. What could he flat-call your flop raise with that you are still beating on the turn?

[/ QUOTE ]

AT, KT, QT, JT, A9, K9, Q9, J9, T7, T6, 97, 96 all look more likely than 88 after the flop action. probably some others too.

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What about 66,77?

The given range seems optimistic to me when assessing the hand has played out until the turn. Villan cc's preflop, cc's on the flop, calls the massive c/r and then bets the turn when we check. It sure looks to me like he got there, or was already there on the flop.

I think we can narrow his range alot here. Given all the donkish calls, I would really be worried about a mid-pp. Highcards and/or overpair would have re-raised pre-flop and/or ditched the flop, TT-99 are unlikely given our holdings, and I doubt 22-55 would stick around after all this action.

Also, we aren't getting the odds to try to fill up on the river if we think we are behind, and there are a few bad cards that can come out on the river even if we think we are ahead.

I just don't think it is weak-tight to fold the 4-straight turn given all the information we have here. Donk-villan is giving us a great opportunity to make a big laydown, and I would take it.