Greatest Western of All Time - Nominations

[swede123]

It's been a while since the last tourney type movie poll, so how about one for westerns. I realize it will probably come down to Unforgiven and the Good, Bad, Ugly, or something like that, but what the heck. Nominate some of your preferred westerns, and we'll get this one going...

To start:

Rio Bravo
High Plains Drifter
Silverado

Swede

[MrWookie47]

Well, if you won't do it...

Unforgiven
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

[Isura]

High Noon.

[dcasper70]

Good/Bad/Ugly

[diebitter]

Once upon a time in the west
The Searchers
Outlaw Josey Wales

[samjjones]

Once Upon A Time In The West
Blazing Saddles
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
Stagecoach
Red River
She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

[daveymck]

Once Upon an Time in The West
Outlaw Josie Wales

[dcasper70]

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Blazing Saddles

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lol, nice call! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

edit: does this mean we can conside ¡Three Amigos! ???

[SheetWise]

Lonesome Dove

[wh1t3bread]

Dances With Wolves
Tombstone

[TheMainEvent]

Back to the Future Part III

[imported_The Vibesman]

Once Upon A Time In The West
The Searchers
The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly

I think OUATITW is the easy choice.

I think "Unforgiven" is vastly overrated. Yes it's a good movie, but greatest western ever?

[Georgia Avenue]

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
Once Upon A Time In The West

IF IT COUNTS:
Legends of the Fall


BANNED:
Young Guns

[djoyce003]

clearly unforgiven should be given consideration.

I thought Lonesome Dove was great, but not sure it counts for this.

The Shootist

The John Wayne one with the psycho wife...forget the name of it but it's good....

[dcasper70]

The Magnificent Seven
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
Davey Crocket (or was that something Alamo?)

90% of John Wayne's work...

edit: It was 'The Alamo'

[Georgia Avenue]

Also:
Shane

[wh1t3bread]

Also:
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

[StevieG]

Shane
The Magnificent Seven
Unforgiven

[SL__72]

Rio Bravo is my favorite.

Some other good John Wayne westerns:
The Searchers
Stagecoach
McLintock!
Big Jake
Chism
Sons of Katie Elder
The Undefeated
The War Wagon
Red River

I don't know if it counts, but I always liked How the West was Won.

Outlaw Josie Wales is awesome.
Magnificent Seven may not have been as good as Seven Samurai, but it was still good.

[hyde]

The Magnificent Seven
1970's version.

But Clint is in a league of his own. One of his will win it when it comes to poll time.

[imported_The Vibesman]

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The Magnificent Seven


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Awesome, totally forgot about that one.

[daveymck]

Fistful of Dollers
Few DOllers More
High pLains drifter
The Alamo
Fort Apache

[Georgia Avenue]

As someone said, this may come down to simply John Wayne Vs Clint...

In the actual battle royale, why not just list:

Clint Movie
John Wayne Movie
and then others by name? OUATINW, Peckinpah, etc...

[dcasper70]

Swede,

Should this upcoming 'Big Dance' contain comedies?
What was your intent?

[TheBlueMonster]

THE SEARCHERS

[swede123]

I realize that Unforgiven will probably win it all, but to me anyway these polls aren't about what movie is the greatest in whatever category. Based on voting I often end up finding some cool movies which I hadn't seen or perhaps even been aware of. This is what makes it worthwhile to me.

Swede

[MonkeeMan]

Lonesome Dove (if it counts)

Magnificent 7
Fistful of Dollars
Hombre
Unforgiven

[diebitter]

I agree with Swede. I've sworn off getting mad at the result. It's good to discuss the nominees.


And unforgiven shouldn't win. The Searchers should, obviously.

[SL__72]

Its also kind of fun to think about/debate.

[Dominic]

The Searchers
Unforgiven
Once Upon a Time in the West
The Wild Bunch
Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid
Ride the High Country
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence

[samjjones]

I think the John Wayne/Clint Eastwood factions will have a hard time settling on one film, since both of those guys did so many QUALITY westerns. If you broke this into categories, like "Drama", "Romance", "Comedy", etc., I think the only surefire thing that everybody would agree on is that Blazing Saddles is the best Western comedy ever made.

[swede123]

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Swede,

Should this upcoming 'Big Dance' contain comedies?
What was your intent?

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Well, personally I think this category should be allowed to be more open than some of the other specific genre. I think Blazing Saddles (to name one) should be allowed in here, if for no other reason because it was DQ'd from the comedy thread because of being made one year too early. But if there are lots of folks against including comedic westerns we can decide on it later.

Swede

[diebitter]

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I think the only surefire thing that everybody would agree on is that Blazing Saddles is the best Western comedy ever made.

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I agree, but Evil Roy Slade rocks!
'Stubby index fingerrrr...'

[Dominic]

Red River
Stagecoach
My Darling Clementine
She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
Destry Rides Again

[samjjones]

My thoughts would be to exclude comedies. Besides Blazing Saddles and perhaps Cat Ballou, I don't think any other comedy would merit serious consideration anyways. I mean...Shanghai Knights? Rustlers' Rhapsody? Support Your Local Gunfighter? Umm....no.

[jakethebake]

Big Jake
Rio Lobo
Rio Bravo
The Sons of Katie Elder
Rooster Cogburn
True Grit
El Dorado
The Shootist

Hud
My Name is Nobody
Tom Horn
The Long Riders

[jakethebake]

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The John Wayne one with the psycho wife...forget the name of it but it's good....

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McClintock?

[rohjoh]

http://media.bestprices.com/content/dvd/50/151757.jpg

[SL__72]

Way to like... copy my nomination list /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

And yes, that is definately McClintock

[imported_The Vibesman]

"Hud" is one of my favorite movies ever, but I've never even thought of it as a western.

If Hud would qualify, what about Grapes of Wrath?

[Uston]

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And unforgiven shouldn't win. The Searchers should, obviously.

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One of the most visually stunning movies I've ever seen but a bit too hokey and racist for my taste.

I'm just shocked it took 30+ posts for someone to mention The Wild Bunch.

[MonkeeMan]

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"Hud" is one of my favorite movies ever, but I've never even thought of it as a western.

If Hud would qualify, what about Grapes of Wrath?

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or Coogan's Bluff?

[jakethebake]

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"Hud" is one of my favorite movies ever, but I've never even thought of it as a western.

If Hud would qualify, what about Grapes of Wrath?

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You're right. I was probably thinking of Hombre.

[samjjones]

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And unforgiven shouldn't win. The Searchers should, obviously.

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One of the most visually stunning movies I've ever seen but a bit too hokey and racist for my taste.

I'm just shocked it took 30+ posts for someone to mention The Wild Bunch.

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Yes, this was a major oversight. Good looking out.

[theweatherman]

Does all quiet on the Western Front count? Its a German western /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[fnord_too]

My favorite is Fistful of Dynamite (aka Duck You Sucker), but that does not have a chance since hardly anyone has seen it.

I don't think anyone has mentioned Paint Your Wagon.

Most of the great westerns have been mentioned already, I'll try to think of some that haven't.

Cheyenne Autumn (I've never seen it, but I heard it was good)
My Darling Clementine
Fort Apache
Support Your Local Sherrif

I know there are more, but I just can't think of them right now. As an aside, I was just thinking the other day "Sweede needs to do a western poll and mystery movie poll". You should really break this up by decade or into 20 or 25 year blocks. At one point 25% of all US films produced were westerns, it really is the most well developed film genre there is. I would personally have a very hard time picking between say "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" and "Unforgiven". There are just too many great westerns to group them all together, and you will get a lot of bias towards recent films I think if you dont segregate them. (Most people here have probably seen "TGTBATU", but I bet less than have have seen "The Wild Bunch" or "Once Upon a Time in the West".)

For me, this will be the toughest of these polls yet.

Edit - I'm not saying Support Your Local Sherrif was great per se, but it was decent, and pretty good for its era. Also, I didn't see any James Garner films listed, and he did tons of westerns.

[Peter666]

The finalists have to be: "Red River," "The Searchers," "The Wild Bunch" and "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance."

[fnord_too]

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The finalists have to be: "Red River," "The Searchers," "The Wild Bunch" and "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance."

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ummm, no. G/B/U should definitely make final 4, and maybe Unforgiven. I would axe liberty valance and red river to make room for those two. Man, there are too many great westerns.

[jakethebake]

Swede, You realize that all these ignorant kids that haven't seen most of the good old westerns will just ruin this poll like they did the others? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[4_2_it]

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance is excelent. I can't believe we are 50 posts in and nonoby has mentioned The Treasure of the Sierra Madre which makes my Top 5.
"Badges? We ain't got no badges! We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinkin' badges!"

[jakethebake]

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The Treasure of the Sierra Madre which makes my Top 5.


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Great movie, but I never considered it a western.

[PokerNoob]

Little Big Man.

[SL__72]

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Swede, You realize that all these ignorant kids that haven't seen most of the good old westerns will just ruin this poll like they did the others? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I'm only 22 but I was thinking the same thing... This has been my favorite genre of films since I was about 5.

[Saddlepoint]

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High Noon.

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[4_2_it]

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The Treasure of the Sierra Madre which makes my Top 5.


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Great movie, but I never considered it a western.

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Do you consider it more of an adventure movie a la Indiana Jones? I guess I can buy that. If western means set in the 1800's then you have a point, though that would rule out several John Wayne movies that were set in the early 1900's.

[samjjones]

"Western" should be defined as a film set West of the Mississippi during the time period 1840-1910 where horses or rail were the prominent method of transportation.

[woodguy]

True Grit.

Regards,
Woodguy

[djoyce003]

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The John Wayne one with the psycho wife...forget the name of it but it's good....

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McClintock?

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yeah that's it.

[djoyce003]

support your local sherriff and support your local gunfighter should both be considered in the comedic arena.

Just about every john wayne movie should be considered but I actually didn't like true grit or rooster cogburn...those were some of his worst westerns I thought....despite the critical acclaim it got. Same can be said for Clint Eastwood.

[jakethebake]

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The Treasure of the Sierra Madre which makes my Top 5.

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Great movie, but I never considered it a western.

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Do you consider it more of an adventure movie a la Indiana Jones? I guess I can buy that. If western means set in the 1800's then you have a point, though that would rule out several John Wayne movies that were set in the early 1900's.

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Hadn't really thought about how I actually classify it or why. It just hadn't even occurred to me to consider it a western.

[Vavavoom]

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Blazing Saddles

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[SL__72]

Any movie without at least one gunfight of some sort probably needs to be reconsidered. Not that it is a must... but the chances are that if there isn't one it shouldn't be considered a western.

Some newer ones:
Open Range
Tombstone (I'm sure someone said this one already...)

[jakethebake]

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Open Range

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I liked this movie despite my intense dislike for Costner. And the gunfight at the end was very good.

[fyodor]

Any of the Trinity movies with Terence Hill

A Man Called Trinity
Trinity Is Still My Name
Trinity Rides Again

There were more. They were hillarious. His quick draw/bitch slap routine is classic.

[trotski]

Magnificent Seven
Tombstone
The Searchers
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

[whiskeytown]

Unforgiven

and while it's not a movie and it's more of a cable TV series, I think Deadwood is hands down one of the best pieces of work I've seen on the subject.

RB

[djoyce003]

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Open Range

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I liked this movie despite my intense dislike for Costner. And the gunfight at the end was very good.

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I almost included this because of the main part of he movie, but the love story was so awkward and so forced in that I had to remove it from my list.

[djoyce003]

The man from snowy river is a good one

[samjjones]

Do films set in Australia count?

[4_2_it]

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Do films set in Australia count?

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Depends on whether Australia is considered east or west of the Mississippi. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[samjjones]

Just looked up the Searchers on IMDB, and found this in trivia. I need to watch this again.

"According to John Wayne in a 1974 interview, John Ford hinted throughout the movie that Ethan had had an affair with his brother's wife, and was possibly the father of Lucy and Debbie. This meant Ethan's thirst for vengeance stemmed not from the murder of his brother, but of the woman Ethan had loved. This was so subtle that many viewers at the time missed it altogether."

[HopeydaFish]

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BANNED:
Young Guns

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So we can nominate Young Guns II? /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[djoyce003]

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Do films set in Australia count?

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I smell a vote for quiggly down under coming.

[BaggyAnt]

Once upon a Time in the West is my favourite film of all time. Leone wanted Eastwood to be one of the 3 outlaws at the beginning (which is possibly the most stunning opening sequence ever). So many good ideas went into this film - For Example - just love the way each of the main Characters were given their own theme tune which played each time they were in a Scene.

Personally, I don't think this Film has got anywhere near as much acclaim as it should have (it was lambasted by Film Critics when first released) although it does seem that in the past few years it is beginning to get the plaudits it deserves.

[diebitter]

Leone wanted the 3 baddies at the beginning for OUATITW to be the Eastwood, Wallach and Van Cleef.

That would have been awesome!

[RRRRICK]

Not long ago a started a thread about how I hate Westerns and oot advised me to watch two that I hadn't seen

The Good the bad and the ugly and Unforgiven.

I loved both.

Thanks OOT, but I still hate Westerns

[Cancuk]

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Also:
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

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holla

[fnord_too]

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Leone wanted the 3 baddies at the beginning for OUATITW to be the Eastwood, Wallach and Van Cleef.

That would have been awesome!

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Yes, Wallach and Van Cleef agreed, Eastwood said no, though I don't know if it was for aesthetic reasons or logistical ones.

[diebitter]

Winchester 73.

I know it's not got a snowball's chance in hell, but there has to be a James Stewart one in there somewhere.

[fnord_too]

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Not long ago a started a thread about how I hate Westerns and oot advised me to watch two that I hadn't seen

The Good the bad and the ugly and Unforgiven.

I loved both.

Thanks OOT, but I still hate Westerns

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You probably just hate bad westerns, there are some truly great ones. The two you mention are both masterpieces.

[Georgia Avenue]

How could we have forgotten "Dead Man"? We be slippin.

[coffeecrazy1]

The Shootist
The Outlaw Josey Wales
The Cowboys(b/c of Bruce Dern)

[diebitter]

Okay, not a nom, but anyone here seen 'Grim Prairie Tales'?

[SL__72]

I was just going to add that... had to click back when I noticed your post.

I also think The Gunfighter should be on there if no one has said it yet. Gregory Peck was awesome.

[SL__72]

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Winchester 73.

I know it's not got a snowball's chance in hell, but there has to be a James Stewart one in there somewhere.

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Actually according to imdb.com that is 17th best western...

Also he is in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance and How the West was Won.

He also was in The Man from Laramie, but I don't know if anyone has mentioned that yet...

[diebitter]

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Winchester 73.

I know it's not got a snowball's chance in hell, but there has to be a James Stewart one in there somewhere.

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Actually according to imdb.com that is 17th best western...

Also he is in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance and How the West was Won.

He also was in The Man from Laramie, but I don't know if anyone has mentioned that yet...

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Anything with Stewart, directed by Antony Mann (like Winchester and Laramie) is fab.

Oh, and there's Destry Rides again, for the 'comedy western' category...

[TJSWAN]

[quote I'm just shocked it took 30+ posts for someone to mention The Wild Bunch.

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Me too, one of the best opening scenes ever ! Great cast also. Ernest Borgnine et al.

" Washers !!!!! "


Tim

[jstnrgrs]

Unforgiven is not only the best western of all time, it is the best movie of all time.

[ddubois]

This one time She Wore a Yellow Ribbon was on cable and I TiVo'd it, excited about the prospect of seeing a classic John Wayne western. Thus far, my lifetime western experience had been composed entirely of popular Clint Eastwood movies.

I couldn't even get halfway through it. I was bored out of my mind and eventually deleted it from my TiVo.

Which classic John Wayne western is least likely to bore me to tears?

The Outlaw Josey Wales.

There's three kinds of suns in Kansas. Sunshine, sunflowers, and sons-of-&#$%^&*.

[John Cole]

At last, someone who has seen Westerns! Add, Once Upon a Time in the West, My Darling Clememtine, Stagecoach, Ride the High Country, Shane, Cheyenne Autumn, and Destry Rides Again. (Unforgiven does not crack the top ten.)

Best of all time: The Searchers

[B Dids]

So I just didn't a little search, and I was really surprised that nobody in this thread has mentioned Posse (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107863/).

Savages.

[Peter666]

If we have to pick only one film, I agree that the "Searchers" should be #1.

Ford and Peckinpah were powerhouse directors, no doubt about it.

[Peter666]

"The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" is one of the few great American films that is not appreciated enough. It is true art.

[Eurotrash]

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The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance

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already been nominated several times but I got here late and feel the need to nominate it again.

[phx]

http://imdb.com/chart/western

Does "Last of the Mohicans" count?

If not I've got to throw in votes for Tombstone, Silverado, Unforgiven, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

Just for a laugh - The Quick and the Dead.

[dandy_don]

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El Dorado


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[swede123]

Amazingly enough we're right now sitting on exactly 64 movies (excluding some of the non-westerns mentioned).
Here are the 64:

A Few Dollars More
A Fistful of Dollars
A Man Called Trinity
Big Jake
Blazing Saddles
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
Cheyenne Autumn
Chism
Dances With Wolves
Dead Man
Destry Rides Again
El Dorado
Fistful of Dynamite
Fort Apache
High Noon
High Plains Drifter
Hombre
How the West was Won
Little Big Man
Lonesome Dove
McLintock!
My Darling Clementine
My Name is Nobody
Once Upon a Time in the West
Open Range
Outlaw Josey Wales
Paint Your Wagons
Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid
Posse
Red River
Red River
Ride the High Country
Rio Bravo
Rio Lobo
Rooster Cogburn
Shane
She Wore a Red Ribbon
Silverado
Sons of Katie Elder
Stagecoach
Support Your Local Sheriff
The Alamo
The Cowboys
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
The Gunfighter
The Long Riders
The Magnificent Seven
The Man From Laramie
The Man From Snowy River
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
The Quick and the Dead
The Searchers
The Shootist
The Undefeated
The War Wagon
The Wild Bunch
Tom Horn
Tombstone
Trinity is Still My Name
Trinity Rides Again
True Grit
Unforgiven
Winchester 73
Young Guns

Please let me know if any of these should be replaced with other, more worthy candidates, or if you feel that there are some that don't qualify as westerns. I think we're going to allow comedies, since there are some really good westerns that could be considered comedies.

Finally, since no one mentioned these yet how about the following three:

Geronimo (with Jason Patric and Matt Damon)
Wyatt Earp (with Kevin Costner)
The Beguiled (Eastwood in one of his most different roles of his career)

Swede

[CIncyHR]

Anybody who hasnt seen Dead Man should not be allowed to vote in this.

[Mars357]

why is Red River listed twice?

PS. I didn't read the entire thread so it's explained there, sorry

[imported_The Vibesman]

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Unforgiven is not only the best western of all time, it is the best movie of all time.

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Ssssoooooooo overrated. Really, WTF?

When Unforgiven came out and everyone talked about how good it was, I thought it was just because there hadn't been a really good Western in so long. It's a fun movie and everything, but come on, the best of all time, really.

As for the extras Swede mentioned, I would say Wyatt Earp is dog-doo-doo, but there really isn't a reason to include it on the list. It's long, which is synonomous w/ good nowadays. Costner is so bad, I can't see the movie doing well.

[SL__72]

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Anybody who hasnt seen Dead Man should not be allowed to vote in this.

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I thought the general rule was that you should only vote for pairs where you have seen both movies.

Also, your statement is ridiculous unless you have seen all 64 movies on the list.

[swede123]

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Anybody who hasnt seen Dead Man should not be allowed to vote in this.

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I thought the general rule was that you should only vote for pairs where you have seen both movies.

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This is the rule I abide by. Honestly, in this poll there will be quite a few first and second rounders that I won't be voting for; particularly involving the lesser known Wayne movies.

Swede

[jakethebake]

The Villain

[4_2_it]

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The Villain

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Nice catch! That was The Governator's finest work.

[StoneAge]

Don't know that it will make the cut (and it doesn't meet some of the requirments discussed e.g. it is set in the 1950's)- but anyone into westerns might want to check out:

Lonley are the Brave (1962)

I am biased towards it because it is based on Ed Abbey's novel The Brave Cowboy. It stars Kirk Douglas as Jack Burns- an old fashioned cowboy in the modern world and Walter Matthau as the sheriff pursuing him.

Kirk Douglas said in the LA times in 1989 "In the more than 60 films that I've made, this is my favorite"

[pokerdirty]

how is city slickers II (http://imdb.com/title/tt0109439/) not on this list? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[diebitter]

And what about The Quick and the Dead?

[pokerdirty]

or even...
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