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Larimani

11-01-2005, 08:48 PM

***** Hand History for Game 2965827070 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:17059355 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Tuesday, November 01, 19:42:22 EDT 2005
Table Table 67205 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 5: I_STRONG ( $665 )
Seat 4: snownic ( $475 )
Seat 3: shawninatl ( $860 )
Seat 10: rekamniar ( $695 )
Seat 2: zackeden ( $770 )
Seat 6: shakedownst ( $800 )
Seat 1: drewh820 ( $775 )
Seat 8: shawnerny ( $1360 )
Seat 7: manny1dot8T ( $800 )
Seat 9: a0yrs ( $800 )
Trny:17059355 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to I_STRONG [ Qh Qc ]
shawnerny calls [15].
a0yrs folds.
rekamniar folds.
drewh820 calls [15].
zackeden folds.
shawninatl folds.
snownic calls [15].
I_STRONG raises [100].
shakedownst folds.
manny1dot8T folds.
shawnerny folds.
drewh820 is all-In [760]
snownic folds.
>You have options at Table 67681 Table!.
I_STRONG............?

Early on in $20 SNG so no reads... I called thinking that villain could not have possibily limped AA or KK after another limper... Good or Fishy?

bluefeet

11-01-2005, 08:49 PM

craaaaaaaaaaap, converter mussed up. fix yer postage.

Larimani

11-01-2005, 08:55 PM

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Fixed.

tigerite

11-01-2005, 08:56 PM

At a $22 I call this pretty quickly. I mean, seriously, he's limped from MP with this hand and now likes it so much he's decided to push with it, despite the early position limper? This is almost never AA/KK and very rarely is it AK either. You're more likely to see some crap pair like 77/88 (they love these) or AJ, sooted or not.

11-01-2005, 09:01 PM

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At a $22 I call this pretty quickly. I mean, seriously, he's limped from MP with this hand and now likes it so much he's decided to push with it, despite the early position limper? This is almost never AA/KK and very rarely is it AK either. You're more likely to see some crap pair like 77/88 (they love these) or AJ, sooted or not.

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mike28

11-01-2005, 10:21 PM

Larimani

11-02-2005, 12:07 AM

cheers guys... He showed AA... & I thought to myself "what a fish"... Glad to see that my decision process was not flawed.

bigt439

11-02-2005, 12:38 AM

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He showed AA... & I thought to myself "what a fish"...

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Why?

bawcerelli

11-02-2005, 01:31 AM

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Why?

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because he limped in mp with AA after an early limper. would YOU do that?

bigt439

11-02-2005, 02:38 AM

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because he limped in mp with AA after an early limper. would YOU do that?

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Yes, depending on the table.

tigerite

11-02-2005, 01:09 PM

Double hand low (I think it's called that?) is something that generally only works if you're directly to act, or maybe a seat away from the original limper. It's pretty donkish in mid position if you ask me. Also you will very, very rarely see it happen, so don't feel bad. Next time flop a Q /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Bluff Daddy

11-02-2005, 01:59 PM

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He showed AA... & I thought to myself "what a fish"...

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Why?

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because he limped in mp with AA after an early limper. would YOU do that?

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Yes, depending on the table.

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level 1 of a 22 there is no reason to do this in mp after a limper, and yes this is an instant call

Degen

11-02-2005, 02:01 PM

I've seen 66 and JTs and A5o enough times to make this an easy decision.

pineapple888

11-02-2005, 02:21 PM

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He showed AA... & I thought to myself "what a fish"...

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because he limped in mp with AA after an early limper. would YOU do that?

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Yes, depending on the table.

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Agreed. If I felt reasonably confident somebody was going to PVS, a limp is an excellent play. See... oh, just as an example... this thread.

Bluff Daddy

11-02-2005, 03:10 PM

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He showed AA... & I thought to myself "what a fish"...

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because he limped in mp with AA after an early limper. would YOU do that?

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Yes, depending on the table.

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Agreed. If I felt reasonably confident somebody was going to PVS, a limp is an excellent play. See... oh, just as an example... this thread.

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where was the pvs at in this hand b/c I must have missed it. There are situations to limp aces sure but this isnt it

pineapple888

11-02-2005, 03:39 PM

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He showed AA... & I thought to myself "what a fish"...

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because he limped in mp with AA after an early limper. would YOU do that?

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Yes, depending on the table.

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Agreed. If I felt reasonably confident somebody was going to PVS, a limp is an excellent play. See... oh, just as an example... this thread.

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where was the pvs at in this hand b/c I must have missed it. There are situations to limp aces sure but this isnt it

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There was a pre-flop raise to 7xBB. Let's not quibble over whether it's a PVS or not.

Good players occasionally change up their game. If you disagree, there's nothing more to be said.

Didn't anyone ever play limit poker? I don't particularly like playing Aces against five or six opponents, but I know how to do it.

11-02-2005, 03:45 PM

I'm not folding QQ preflop HU in a $22. But, this is probably the time when folding QQ HU in a $22 is least incorrect.

11-02-2005, 03:48 PM

People seem to disagree with me and I thought about it some more. JTs and 55 are just as likely if not more likely than AA and KK.

pooh74

11-02-2005, 03:51 PM

1. Tigerite's reasoning was dead on.

2. Whether this is a "PVS" or not is moot

3. Whether this is a good play by villain depends

4. Calling is a good because this play by villain will be an extreme exception, not the norm.