PLO Rebuy Hand... thoughts?

[Jurollo]

I had just bluffed against this player a little while ago and got caught but split on my redraw. Thoughts about my re-pot on the flop?

PokerStars Game #2947774668: Tournament #14413817, Omaha Pot Limit -
Level IX (300/600) - 2005/11/01 - 16:56:14 (ET)
Table '14413817 14' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: -BW9- (9570 in chips)
Seat 2: bestcellar (66311 in chips)
Seat 3: jurollo83 (36188 in chips)
Seat 4: billyclone (16317 in chips)
Seat 5: AA88Qs (26250 in chips)
Seat 6: YerNotPunk (6410 in chips)
Seat 7: Born2Grind (14635 in chips)
Seat 8: The Jaws (32720 in chips)
YerNotPunk: posts small blind 300
Born2Grind: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jurollo83 [6s 8c Qs Qh]
The Jaws: calls 600
-BW9-: calls 600
bestcellar: calls 600
jurollo83: calls 600
billyclone: folds
AA88Qs: calls 600
YerNotPunk: calls 300
Born2Grind: checks
*** FLOP *** [7s Ts 3c]
YerNotPunk: checks
Born2Grind: checks
The Jaws: checks
-BW9-: bets 1200
bestcellar: raises 6600 to 7800
jurollo83: raises 21000 to 28800
AA88Qs: folds
YerNotPunk: folds
Born2Grind: folds
The Jaws: folds
-BW9-: folds
bestcellar: calls 21000
*** TURN *** [7s Ts 3c] [8s]
bestcellar: bets 36911 and is all-in
jurollo83: calls 6788 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [7s Ts 3c 8s] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bestcellar: shows [7c 5s 7h 9s] (a full house, Sevens full of Tens)
jurollo83: shows [6s 8c Qs Qh] (a flush, Queen high)
bestcellar collected 76576 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 76576 | Rake 0
Board [7s Ts 3c 8s Th]
Seat 1: -BW9- folded on the Flop
Seat 2: bestcellar showed [7c 5s 7h 9s] and won (76576) with a full
house, Sevens full of Tens
Seat 3: jurollo83 showed [6s 8c Qs Qh] and lost with a flush, Queen
high
Seat 4: billyclone folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: AA88Qs (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: YerNotPunk (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Born2Grind (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: The Jaws folded on the Flop

[benneh]

I don't pot that with just an overpair (and a crappy one at that) and the 3rd nut draw. i might flat call and reevaluate on the turn and river.


edit: just re-read the action. I'd fold that in an instant. What do you really think he is potting in this multiway, draw heavy pot? You're behind anything and everything that he could do that with.

[Jurollo]

Agreed, however, I was mainly making the play to take it down right there. He saw me bluff once so I was assuming he might be more conscious next time, this was not the case. I just thought it was a good time to make the move since I had redraws, no matter their strength? Thoughts?
~Justin

P.S. I am NOT a PLO player, I just do it for a change of pace sometimes, so rip away.

[KneeCo]

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of 300.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets 36911 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls 6788 (All-In).

River: T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Even the mods aren't converting hands. Tsk Tsk /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Anyway, I know very little about PLO, though I've played my fair share of o8. I don't really like this hand at all, especially the raise on the flop inside flush draw be damned, there's a good chance you're going to lose here even if you make a Q high flush and the board doesn't pair. But again, not really my game.

[benneh]

the reason i don't think this would work is because he's potting an initial better that bet into a ton of people before the action is even to you. he's very serious about this hand from the get go. the minimum for his hand is at least the nut flush draw, but probably something like middle set protecting from a flush. i don't thinkt here's anyway you get him to lay these hands down unless he has the flush draw and the board pairs on the turn (but even then, he'll be getting huge odds cause you've committed so much of your stack to this pot with nothing).

[Rduke55]

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the reason i don't think this would work is because he's potting an initial better that bet into a ton of people before the action is even to you. he's very serious about this hand from the get go. the minimum for his hand is at least the nut flush draw, but probably something like middle set protecting from a flush. i don't thinkt here's anyway you get him to lay these hands down unless he has the flush draw and the board pairs on the turn (but even then, he'll be getting huge odds cause you've committed so much of your stack to this pot with nothing).

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I like this thinking. Soo many people in that pot someone has you beat very badly.

[Jurollo]

True story, thanks guys.

[schwza]

is that even a playable hand in that position? i don't know much about omaha, but i would've guessed that's a fold.

[Jurollo]

I play WAY too many hands in Omaha and value hands in terms of Hold 'em sometimes, I know this, just curious how way off this line is.
~Justin

I am fine with your preflop limp as stacks seemed pretty deep, 50+ bbs for you. However the bluff doesnt make much sense. PLO is a game of having the nuts. Or Draws to the nuts, you simply had neither. You risked a huge portion of your stack with a small chance of winning the hand. very few people would bet into this pot in the first place into 5 opponents with a hand that would fold to your reraise. An inside straight draw and a queen high flush draw with a weak overpair are just not merits enough to make a play like this. If on the other hand you had something like 89 j A suited to the spades with the ace, that would be a much better play.

[bruce]

I have played quite a bit of PLO in a cash game, although I have never played a tournament before.

Preflop your hand on a good day with the stars aligned properly might be playable. Your four cards really don't really play well together. I might limp in a multiway pot and hope to flop a set with this or try to steal with it.
PLO is really a game about draws and unless you flop a set or an Ace and King of spades flops your hand is not very good. Your opponents hand, by the way, is a piece of garbage although the four cards do play together. I certainly wouldn't limp with a piece of cheese like that.

On the flop I would ditch that hand about as fast as possible. You really didn't hit the flop hard. You have
a non-nut flush draw and an overpair. Overpairs and non-nut flush draws in Omaha especially PLO have little value.
Save your chips and play another hand. With a semicoordinated flop in PLO it's tought to bluff multiple opponents out. Someone had to have flopped something so I
think your attempt is futile.

Bruce

[Rduke55]

"Taking it down" with a bluff is much more difficult in PLO than in HE.

[colson10]

Really easy muck on the flop, IMO. It's hard to run big bluffs, like in holdem, in PLO unless you hold key cards. And in family pots it's way too likely someone flopped the nuts or close enough to the nuts.

not that I know how to play this game. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[dogsballs]

good god.

why are u still there on the flop..?!

[Jason Strasser]

Yes, I agree.

If I think that then it is fcking abominable because I am down more than anyone here in PLO.

-Jason

[Jurollo]

As I said... I have played in about 5 omaha tournies in my life and dont know much about it, it is a fun change of pace though to donk it up.
~Justin