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I'm running bad and cranky, so its bitch at the forum time for me. Time for some pet peeves.
1. Titles from inexperienced posters. I would say that I can tell whether the OP won or lost the hand they are posting about half the time from the title alone. Titles like "how can I get away from this" or "was this a bad push" should never ever ever be used.
2. Titles from experienced posters. A little creativity guys. I know am I PCed with TPTK might describe the hand fair accurately but meh, its just so boring to look down the subject list and always see the same thing. I like catchy titles.
3. I'm guilty of this one too. It bugs the hell out of me when I take the time to do a full analysis (either with math, or a street by street contingency) and then the next guy comes by and says exactly the opposite without even trying to refute the points I made. I like to think I'm not talking to myself.
4. People who just want to be told what to do. I really hate this one. Way way way too many posters on here post hands because they want to be told what the right decision is, not ebcause they want to figure out how to figure the right decision for themselves.
5. The old guard, me included. I think we all tend to develop relationships with guys who were active on the boards around the same time we started to "get it." I know im particularly guilty of it, in that I make sure to get involved in the threads of posters I like, and know fairly well, specifically guys like Soss, Strassa, Che, Woodguy, Bugstud and a handfull of others. To that end I'm guilty of shortchanging some very good players who maybe I don't pay attention to as much as I should, guys who started posting after I'd been here a while. So guys like Ansky, Exitonly, NoahSD, and the others who generally do good work here but don't get as much credit as the guys with longer tenures. I've just called myself out on your behalf.
Man, running bad turns me into one bitchy woman.
rockythecat99
11-01-2005, 03:20 PM
Well you should be happy about one thing. Allan Houston retired. I thought that would make your year. Lol. Nice rant.
People_Mover
11-01-2005, 03:22 PM
I'm on a 17 MTT streak of non-cashes so your post made me /images/graemlins/smile.gif
Exitonly
11-01-2005, 03:24 PM
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1. Titles from inexperienced posters. I would say that I can tell whether the OP won or lost the hand they are posting about half the time from the title alone. Titles like "how can I get away from this" or "was this a bad push" should never ever ever be used.
2. Titles from experienced posters. A little creativity guys. I know am I PCed with TPTK might describe the hand fair accurately but meh, its just so boring to look down the subject list and always see the same thing. I like catchy titles.
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Definitely. I end up reading all threads anyway, because i'm spazzy and never have anything to do, but interesting thread titles definitely make me happier reading hte post.
SossMan
11-01-2005, 03:25 PM
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/2936/wambulance5fw.jpg
sirio11
11-01-2005, 03:28 PM
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4. People who just want to be told what to do. I really hate this one. Way way way too many posters on here post hands because they want to be told what the right decision is, not ebcause they want to figure out how to figure the right decision for themselves.
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This is basically, one of the reasons I'm not posting that much anymore, I always try to encourage critical thinking, like with my students, give them not just the answers but some pointers so they can work and find the answers by themselves. Time and time again so many good posts just die because people just don't want to do their job and contribute, whatever is some math or some critical analysis that requires some time and not just a quick answer.
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I'm on a 17 MTT streak of non-cashes so your post made me
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that's nothing.
yvesaint
11-01-2005, 06:42 PM
people that post hands, and just the converted hand history, nothing else
ansky451
11-01-2005, 07:15 PM
Yeah I agree, #4 is my biggest pet peeve. I was thinking of making a post about that, telling people to stop saying things like "Does he have me beat or not." It's not very insightful strategy wise, and not an interesting thing to discuss usually.
One of the biggest leaps in my game was understanding the reasoning behind all my decisions. I think it is key to becoming a good poker player in general, because although most situations are very unique in one sense, they are often times similar in other ways to other hands you may encounter.
I also haven't posted any hands in a while, mainly cause I'm lazy, but I think I'll start doing some again soon.
HeroInBlack
11-01-2005, 07:17 PM
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I like catchy titles.
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examples?
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examples?
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I don't know, the last hand I posted I think I called, "now I know what its like to play against me." For me, its indicative of somebody taking the time to think about the issues their hand represents than just slapping it up there.
twang
11-01-2005, 07:34 PM
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I like catchy titles.
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examples?
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I think MLG means pre-posting guidelines small stakes forum style titles like "My lesbian friend wants me to make her pregnant".
Edit: I was wrong.
La Brujita
11-01-2005, 07:37 PM
Damn I am old. I remember when you were the new kid on the block. Now you are old school.
yeah, 17 months is a long time on here. weird huh.
Jason Strasser
11-01-2005, 07:47 PM
Ok.
So you want a post like this.
Title: Can I get away from this boat?
Post:
***** Hand History for Game 2965063014 *****
$2000 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, November 01, 17:03:18 EDT 2005
Table Table 69129 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Robespierre_ ( $3515 )
Seat 3: McMatherade ( $1910 )
Seat 4: ImWiredPP ( $3903.50 )
Seat 6: ih8luckyfish ( $3065 )
Seat 10: BLdSWtTRs ( $3649 )
Seat 7: HotNikkels ( $2298 )
Seat 5: buddy778 ( $1180 )
Seat 9: whiterash40 ( $1980 )
Seat 2: LumenASC ( $2000 )
Seat 8: ReadyOnot21 ( $1000 )
McMatherade posts small blind [$10].
buddy778 posts big blind [$20].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Robespierre_ [ 5c 5h ]
>You have options at Table 69167 (No DP) Table!.
ih8luckyfish raises [$40].
HotNikkels folds.
whiterash40 folds.
BLdSWtTRs raises [$187].
>You have options at Table 66082 (No DP) Table!.
Robespierre_ calls [$187].
McMatherade folds.
buddy778 folds.
ih8luckyfish calls [$147].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, Qd, 6h ]
ih8luckyfish checks.
BLdSWtTRs checks.
Robespierre_ checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5s ]
ih8luckyfish checks.
BLdSWtTRs bets [$311].
>You have options at Table 66082 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 69167 (No DP) Table!.
Robespierre_ calls [$311].
>You have options at Table 65190 (No DP) Table!.
ih8luckyfish folds.
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
BLdSWtTRs checks.
Robespierre_ bets [$1100].
>You have options at Table 65190 (No DP) Table!.
BLdSWtTRs is all-In [$3151]
Robespierre_ is all-In [$1917]
Robespierre_ shows [ 5c, 5h ] a full house, Fives full of twos.
BLdSWtTRs shows [ Qh, Qc ] a full house, Queens full of twos.
BLdSWtTRs wins $134 from side pot #1 with a full house, Queens full of twos.
BLdSWtTRs wins $7244 from the main pot with a full house, Queens full of twos.
Tell me what to do (gigabet, MLG, che), thanks.
ansky451
11-01-2005, 07:48 PM
Wrong Forum. psh.
Autocratic
11-01-2005, 07:48 PM
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I like catchy titles.
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examples?
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Like "Pet Peeves." You know, just give it some flair.
Jason Strasser
11-01-2005, 07:50 PM
lets have a bump old posters terrible early post days! there are some incredible strassa ones
SossMan
11-01-2005, 07:53 PM
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lets have a bump old posters terrible early post days! there are some incredible strassa ones
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oh god, please no.
TomHimself
11-01-2005, 07:57 PM
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lets have a bump old posters terrible early post days! there are some incredible strassa ones
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oh god, please no.
[/ QUOTE ]ninja bump time?
Pat Southern
11-01-2005, 08:04 PM
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5. The old guard, me included. I think we all tend to develop relationships with guys who were active on the boards around the same time we started to "get it." I know im particularly guilty of it, in that I make sure to get involved in the threads of posters I like, and know fairly well, specifically guys like Soss, Strassa, Che, Woodguy, Bugstud and a handfull of others. To that end I'm guilty of shortchanging some very good players who maybe I don't pay attention to as much as I should, guys who started posting after I'd been here a while. So guys like Ansky, Exitonly, NoahSD, and the others who generally do good work here but don't get as much credit as the guys with longer tenures. I've just called myself out on your behalf.
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I fall in this habit too, mainly because I only look at threads that are started by posters that I recognize because its hard to wade through the 3495873 official $10 threads that sandwich a quality post.
ansky451
11-01-2005, 08:13 PM
Yeah pat, i hate how many official threads there are.
i think official threads should have their own forum.
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i think official threads should have their own forum.
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That's a good idea. Wasn't it a policy at some point that only a mod could start an official thread?
DireWolf
11-01-2005, 09:02 PM
reading Mid/high No Limit has become much more interesting imho.
There are just too many posts to wade through.
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people that post hands, and just the converted hand history, nothing else
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I like those.
I agree about the titles thing, but sometimes there's little that can be done. Definitely the "Can I fold somewhere?" ones suck, but those are generally new posters who don't realize that posting (or implying) results is counterproductive.
A_PLUS
11-01-2005, 10:59 PM
Thats funny, I just got off the phone with Locutus 2 hours ago, talking about similar things.
I will add...
People regard posts like a high school dance. Mike in particulal is cast in the roll of the star QB. People ignore every other post and try to cater their responses to impress him. This is why I am glad we lost the Blue names.
I noticed it in my own posting history. I was particluarly active this summer on the forum. I like to think that the better players respected my analysis (or at least the fact that I did put in work) enough to comment on my hands. At the time, I would post ANYTHING and get 5-10 responses within 10 minutes, mostly with players agreeing with me.
Now, I am less active and have to bump my posts 4 times unless Sossman happens to chime in early.
Two posters who I have learned a great deal from have been CSC and Locutus, and if you search my history you will see extended well thought out debates on my hands. As a matter of fact, I think they have combined called me a donkey 500 times.
Now I was guilty of following the herd a little too much when I started as well, so this isnt an attack on newbies. But things are bad.
We need another hand with the masters to raise my spirit.
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Mike in particulal is cast in the roll of the star QB
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If you've met me this is very very funny.
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I'm running bad and cranky, so its bitch at the forum time for me. Time for some pet peeves.
1. Titles from inexperienced posters. I would say that I can tell whether the OP won or lost the hand they are posting about half the time from the title alone. Titles like "how can I get away from this" or "was this a bad push" should never ever ever be used.
2. Titles from experienced posters. A little creativity guys. I know am I PCed with TPTK might describe the hand fair accurately but meh, its just so boring to look down the subject list and always see the same thing. I like catchy titles.
3. I'm guilty of this one too. It bugs the hell out of me when I take the time to do a full analysis (either with math, or a street by street contingency) and then the next guy comes by and says exactly the opposite without even trying to refute the points I made. I like to think I'm not talking to myself.
4. People who just want to be told what to do. I really hate this one. Way way way too many posters on here post hands because they want to be told what the right decision is, not ebcause they want to figure out how to figure the right decision for themselves.
5. The old guard, me included. I think we all tend to develop relationships with guys who were active on the boards around the same time we started to "get it." I know im particularly guilty of it, in that I make sure to get involved in the threads of posters I like, and know fairly well, specifically guys like Soss, Strassa, Che, Woodguy, Bugstud and a handfull of others. To that end I'm guilty of shortchanging some very good players who maybe I don't pay attention to as much as I should, guys who started posting after I'd been here a while. So guys like Ansky, Exitonly, NoahSD, and the others who generally do good work here but don't get as much credit as the guys with longer tenures. I've just called myself out on your behalf.
Man, running bad turns me into one bitchy woman.
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Since I think I'm guilty in most parts (1-4), you guys should feel free to say those things in the threads. Everyone, including me, will learn eventually (cause like Strassa said, I'm guessing your early days posts will look about the same), but you guys can speed up things.
If the "old guard" start posting in non-old guard threads, we might be able to fix some of the pet peeves.
About official threads, I really like 'em, it's fun to have a community that somewhat cares about the others players and what they are doing. If you think there are too much, there's no problem in limiting 'em to the big supers.
Sam T.
11-01-2005, 11:33 PM
I know there are a few stickies up top already, but number of other boards have FAQs/posting guidelines, and I wonder if it might make sense to add it to the stickies?
All posts should:
- Use the converter (Link)
- Include original poster's thinking on the hand at each decision point.
- Include reads.
- Have a catchy title that makes MLG chuckle.
- Not give the results explicitly or implicitly
- Not ask whether to fold AA pre-flop.
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I know there are a few stickies up top already, but number of other boards have FAQs/posting guidelines, and I wonder if it might make sense to add it to the stickies?
All posts should:
- Use the converter (Link)
- Include original poster's thinking on the hand at each decision point.
- Include reads.
- Have a catchy title that makes MLG chuckle.
- Not give the results explicitly or implicitly
- Not ask whether to fold AA pre-flop.
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But what if the title reads "Hey MLG, should I fold AA preflop?" then I post about something else?
ZeeJustin
11-02-2005, 01:00 AM
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lets have a bump old posters terrible early post days! there are some incredible strassa ones
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I have a semi-famous one. Back when I palyed 10/20 LHE 6 max, I had a bunch of hands in PT and the 6 most common players in my database were all winners. I made the mistake of assuming they were probably good. I suck with the search engine on these forums, otherwise I'd paste a link.
I think I accidently invented the (VPIP / PFR / AF) notation with this post.
CardSharpCook
11-02-2005, 01:35 AM
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Two posters who I have learned a great deal from have been CSC and Locutus, and if you search my history you will see extended well thought out debates on my hands. As a matter of fact, I think they have combined called me a donkey 500 times.
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If it walks like a donk, bets like a donk, and hee-haws like a donk, chances are..... /images/graemlins/grin.gif
Tom, I've always respected the way you analyze a hand. You do the math, you talk sbout opponent's hand range, etc etc. Reading your post, I'm thinking, "yes, yes, OH AWESOME, yes yes," and then... and then say, "and that is why you must bet here." <me shaking head>"no,no,no, THAT is why you must CHECK! /images/graemlins/grin.gif
Now though, you are one of the people I would <font color="blue"> blue up </font>
pottie
11-02-2005, 06:08 AM
Leaving a few lines open at the end of your post so that everyone highlights this to see the secret message...
bugstud
11-02-2005, 11:53 AM
my pet peeve is carl never posting. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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