View Full Version : Paradise VS Absolute, bonus clearning questions
grouchie
10-31-2005, 02:24 PM
I know that both Paradise and Absolute bonus's clear the same way. You have to get 100 points for 10 bucks. To get a point the pot has to be raked 25 cents or more.
I am mainly a 50NL player and have been slowly working my way into playing the short handed games (taking time to learn to deal with the aggression and pace).
So, Which site is the better site to play at.
I have pending bonus on Paradise and am thinking about taking advantage of their Halloween deposit bonus, but am not sure If i'd just be better off putting that money on absolute (always have bonus's going basically) and playing there (I do have RB on absolute).
Is the combination of having RB and hand histories saved to the HD enough to make Absolute a better place to play?
Just curious as I look into my options for the next few days.
Paradise is MUCH softer IMO, making it worth it (for me) to play at Paradise over Absolute. Either way, even if you don't feel like playing at Paradise right now, stick your money in there for the bonus, and clear it as some later time (since it doesn't expire). Either way, could never hurt to have an extra bonus pending.
Paradise has more fish, more games, and better software.
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I forgot about the software aspect. MUCH better software at Paradise. I love their software, probably more than any other site (well, UB is pretty damn good too).
jrz1972
10-31-2005, 03:27 PM
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Paradise has more fish, more games, and better software.
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I forgot about the software aspect. MUCH better software at Paradise.
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Are you guys insane? Absolulte's software isn't the industry gold standard, but it's lightyears better than Paradise's. There's just no good excuse for not writting hand histories to the hard drive.
grouchie
10-31-2005, 03:27 PM
Ok, sounds good. thanks for the replies.
one more question that I forgot to ask in my last post.
Is there any real major differece between playing 6-max and the 5-max games that are offered on paradise?
SoCalRugger
10-31-2005, 03:46 PM
Paradise is fishier by far, but I stopped playing there because of the software and their "disappearing table" problem. Logging on and not being able to play any 5/10 because not a single table showed up in the lobby was unacceptable.
primetime32
10-31-2005, 04:01 PM
i can't stand paradise software.
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Is there any real major differece between playing 6-max and the 5-max games that are offered on paradise?
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Yes. There should be a noticeable difference in the hands you play at certain positions. Particularly I would reccommend opening more hands at the UTG+1 position in a 5 handed game as opposed to 6. Also, you can open at least a few more from UTG 5 handed but not too many more. Also, you should be a little more likely to reraise a raiser from the SB position 5 handed. I'd say BB and button position play fairly similar in both games, though subtle changes may be appropriate going from 6 players to 5.
Not making these adjustments will cost you more per hour than the bonus makes up for.
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Are you guys insane? Absolulte's software isn't the industry gold standard, but it's lightyears better than Paradise's. There's just no good excuse for not writting hand histories to the hard drive.
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I forgot about the hand history part...that part does suck, but since I only play there to clear bonuses (which obviously is not often), my PT database can do without those hands (which do not add up to much). I only don't like Absolute's software mainly because it's pretty resource intensive, at least, from my experience (it's also kind of ugly, FWIW).
Either way though, Absolute is generally a rock-fest (I only play full ring - I've heard 6max there is not bad), which bites for the the raked hands, depending on what limits you play at. I only play at .50/1, which at Paradise = every hand is raked.
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Paradise has more fish, more games, and better software.
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The problem is that you can't get to all the games, because the software sucks so bad you can't SEE them.
But if you could, yes, very soft.
MyTurn2Raise
10-31-2005, 07:44 PM
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Are you guys insane? Absolulte's software isn't the industry gold standard, but it's lightyears better than Paradise's. There's just no good excuse for not writting hand histories to the hard drive.
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I forgot about the hand history part...that part does suck, but since I only play there to clear bonuses (which obviously is not often), my PT database can do without those hands (which do not add up to much). I only don't like Absolute's software mainly because it's pretty resource intensive, at least, from my experience (it's also kind of ugly, FWIW).
Either way though, Absolute is generally a rock-fest (I only play full ring - I've heard 6max there is not bad), which bites for the the raked hands, depending on what limits you play at. I only play at .50/1, which at Paradise = every hand is raked.
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not too worried about taxes, eh?
Schwartzy61
10-31-2005, 08:05 PM
You have to sit there and wait for the games to "magically" appear as if they just started...
Barry_G
10-31-2005, 08:54 PM
Absolute 6-max NL games are fairly soft. The max buy-ins are 200x the BB instead of 100 but at the .10,.25,.50 levels most people buy in short (less than 100x).
I've had no problems with the software. You really need a table mod (several in software forum) to clean up the table images. They are just too cluttered with chairs,snacks,and other crap.
Bonus+Rakeback=Good deal IMHO.
pzhon
10-31-2005, 09:35 PM
Be very careful playing with a 200 BB maximum buy-in at Absolute unless you understand how to play with a stack of that size and a bit larger. There is no shame or disadvantage to buying in for 100 BB or less instead of the maximum.
mosquito
11-01-2005, 04:49 AM
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Paradise has more fish, more games, and better software.
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I forgot about the software aspect. MUCH better software at Paradise.
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Are you guys insane? Absolulte's software isn't the industry gold standard, but it's lightyears better than Paradise's. There's just no good excuse for not writting hand histories to the hard drive.
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Yup.
wonderwes
11-01-2005, 05:47 AM
Oddly enough, both of these sites allow you to have virtual beverages by your icon at your table.
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Paradise has more fish, more games, and better software.
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The problem is that you can't get to all the games, because the software sucks so bad you can't SEE them.
But if you could, yes, very soft.
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There is any easy fix that has worked for me to be able to see the complete list if it does not come up upon opening. If you have the Hold 'em tab up and all the games are not showing then open one of the other games such as Omaha and wait 2-3 seconds. Once you do this return to the Hold 'em tab and all the games will be listed. Works every time for me.
The_Bends
11-01-2005, 08:48 AM
I will add that I've bonus whored Absolute twice at NL100, the frist time was fine, gaems seemed pretty good. The second time wa a nightmare, at least 3 2+2ers bonus whoring per 6 max table. The 5 big fishes that had sweetened the gaem last time I was there were gone.
No unbeatable but not as easy as elsewhere.
MrMon
11-01-2005, 11:56 AM
Absolute can be that way. Last night I was trying to top up my unmentionable to reach a higher return when I ran into a lucky idiot at a 6-max $2/$4 table who had a VP$IP of 95% and was winning 50% of the flops he saw. Trust me, there was little logic to his game, other than take it to the river and toss 'em if he hadn't matched. 52o was as good as AA with this guy. After slamming against him for 1.5 hours and losing 25 BB, I had to put the kids to bed. Got back on at 11:30 PM ET and within the half hour before midnight, not only had I recovered the 25 BB, I was up another 25BB and wound up a total of 50 BB ahead for the whole night by 12:30 AM ET. No real difference in my play, just the cards were hitting me, not some idiot with 52o. Ah, variance!
I'm trying to get some number together this morning for October, but I pretty much know that Absolute is not the easiest place to play, but it's defintely worthwhile if you add together game quality, bonii, and unmentionable. It's tough to complain about 2.94 BB/100 before extras. There are worse games.
JojoDiego
11-01-2005, 01:57 PM
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Paradise has more fish, more games, and better software.
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The problem is that you can't get to all the games, because the software sucks so bad you can't SEE them.
But if you could, yes, very soft.
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There is any easy fix that has worked for me to be able to see the complete list if it does not come up upon opening. If you have the Hold 'em tab up and all the games are not showing then open one of the other games such as Omaha and wait 2-3 seconds. Once you do this return to the Hold 'em tab and all the games will be listed. Works every time for me.
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Beautiful, I can't wait to try that tonight.
People_Mover
11-01-2005, 03:33 PM
Been on absolute for a few months and just started on paradise. Paradise is by far fishier. Bonus clears about the same rate at 50NL and 100NL where I usually play. The tourney players on absolute are downright horrible.
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