View Full Version : Bush to nominate Alito to replace O'Connor
DVaut1
10-31-2005, 08:47 AM
Bush to Nominate Alito (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051031/ap_on_go_su_co/bush_scotus)
Nicknamed 'Sc-Alito' because his judicial philosophy invites comparisons to Justice Scalia.
Let the battle begin! Everyone loves a good ole' DC mud fight (at least I do). I'm wagering Democrats come out on the losing end. I'm starting to think Cyrus was right all along. (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=3602748&page=3&vc=1) /images/graemlins/smile.gif
Honestly, I'm not quite as Machiavellian as Cyrus is - but I'm betting the conservative base will be all riled up for this battle; never a winning proposition for the Democrats, I'm sad to say. One too many Ben Nelsons and Joe Liebermans in this party. But you never know...we could all be talking about the nuclea...err, I mean 'constitutional' option soon enough.
BluffTHIS!
10-31-2005, 08:54 AM
Republicans voted for legally qualified liberal Ginsburg, so Democrats should vote for legally qualified conservative Alito. Simple as that.
ChristinaB
10-31-2005, 08:56 AM
Born on April Fools day, nominated on Halloween
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Samuel Alito’s America (http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/31/samuel-alitos-america)
The "Scalito" nickname makes for a fun caricature, but is a bit unfair. Alito is a good judge. His dissent in Casey (an abortion case that eventually went up to the Supremes) made him a darling of the anti-abortion religious right, but just because the right-wing wingnuts like him doesn't mean he's not a worthy nominee.
DVaut1
10-31-2005, 09:03 AM
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Republicans voted for legally qualified liberal Ginsburg, so Democrats should vote for legally qualified conservative Alito. Simple as that.
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While that's a standard I have no problem adhering to, it should patently obvious why such an option isn't practical for Democrats - that is, even if Bush succeeds in getting him confirmed, there's altogether too much pressure on the Democrats to let the vote be as lopsided as the Ginsburg vote was.
Think $$. Think any Democrat voting to confirm Alito saying bye-bye to all the NOW and EMILY's List money they know and love. Think of that money heading to their opponents in their next primary. And it's not just the women's groups that have a dog in this fight.
Maybe I'll eat crow, but I doubt it. Expect a war.
DVaut1
10-31-2005, 09:14 AM
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The "Scalito" nickname makes for a fun caricature, but is a bit unfair. Alito is a good judge. His dissent in Casey (an abortion case that eventually went up to the Supremes) made him a darling of the anti-abortion religious right, but just because the right-wing wingnuts like him doesn't mean he's not a worthy nominee.
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As I said, I have no problem adhering to a standard that says 'Qualified? If yes --> Confirm' - but there's too much at stake for that to happen. But yeah, everything I've read about him says he's just a less-ambiguously-conservative version of Roberts, complete with the impressive legal pedigree. He'd have my vote, if I had one; then again, I don't face the pressures that a Senator does, thank goodness. Perhaps I'd think differently if I knew my campaign cash/my chances for the Presidency were highly dependent on this vote.
My "but I'm betting the conservative base will be all riled up for this battle; never a winning proposition for the Democrats, I'm sad to say" was only meant to convey that Democrats don't have a long track record of winning (at least lately) when conservatives get their act together (I sure am sad to say). And I'm betting Democrats won't win this one, either. In a perfect world, we'd nominate the best legal minds and be done with it; and it seems as if, by most indications, Alito is firmly in the realm of this country's best legal minds.
ChristinaB
10-31-2005, 09:15 AM
Only Bush would have to make 4 nominations to fill 2 seats. Lets make him make 5. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
1) Roberts for O'Connor seat
2) Roberts for Rehnquist seat
3) Miers for O'Connor seat
4) Alito for O'Connor seat
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I agree with everything you've said, with a quibble about the above. I do believe that Alito is a good judge,as I've said. But I wouldn't put him up there with say, McConnell, Kozinski or Posner on the right. I mean, he's not a hack <cough> Edith Jones <cough>, but he's not a superstar either, IMO.
elwoodblues
10-31-2005, 09:53 AM
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Republicans voted for legally qualified liberal Ginsburg, so Democrats should vote for legally qualified conservative Alito. Simple as that.
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If Republicans rubber stamped Ginsburg simply because she was qualified (the only qualification in the Constitution being that the person be learned in the law) then they were derelict in their duties, in my opinion.
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Evidently you care. You set up a gimmick account. You replied. Therefore you care.
slickpoppa
10-31-2005, 11:29 AM
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Evidently you care. You set up a gimmick account. You replied. Therefore you care.
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The weird part is he set up the gimmick account 2 months ago but didnt post until today
Some folks like to be prepared. Never can tell when you might need a "throw down."
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nice catch. I missed that part completely.
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The weird part is he set up the gimmick account 2 months ago but didnt post until today
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I've been in exile. Now that the election thief's administration has been indicted, it is time to restore the true President to office. I'm coming out of exile!
So, you rilly wanna piece'a Hillary? (take that any way you want) Dude, she's gunna kikk yo butt! She is sooooooo pumped!
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JackWhite
10-31-2005, 12:02 PM
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His dissent in Casey (an abortion case that eventually went up to the Supremes) made him a darling of the anti-abortion religious right, but just because the right-wing wingnuts like him doesn't mean he's not a worthy nominee.
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I think this is a mistake that many on the Left make. You assume that if people don't like Roe, they must be a "religious right wing-nut" or some other similar title. There are many legal conservatives who oppose Roe based on their reading of the Constitution, not religion.
Many of the leading Conservative columnists who opposed Miers (Will, Krauthammer, Kristol, Frum) fall into this category.
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Let the battle begin! Everyone loves a good ole' DC mud fight (at least I do). I'm wagering Democrats come out on the losing end. I'm starting to think Cyrus was right all along.
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Cyrus is a Trotskyist, he's supposed to know the ins and outs of underhanded political maneuvering. Nonetheless, props to him.
CCass
10-31-2005, 12:27 PM
When Alito was appointed to the Court of Appeals in 1990, he was confirmed (by a Democratic controlled senate) unanimously. I think it will be interesting to see what kind of spin Democrats who voted for him in 1990 put on their vote against him this time.
I think DVault is correct, the Dems will will end up looking bad before this is over.
etgryphon
10-31-2005, 12:36 PM
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Republicans voted for legally qualified liberal Ginsburg, so Democrats should vote for legally qualified conservative Alito. Simple as that.
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If Republicans rubber stamped Ginsburg simply because she was qualified (the only qualification in the Constitution being that the person be learned in the law) then they were derelict in their duties, in my opinion.
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100% agree...
-Gryph
etgryphon
10-31-2005, 12:41 PM
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Bush to Nominate Alito (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051031/ap_on_go_su_co/bush_scotus)
Nicknamed 'Sc-Alito' because his judicial philosophy invites comparisons to Justice Scalia.
Let the battle begin! Everyone loves a good ole' DC mud fight (at least I do). I'm wagering Democrats come out on the losing end. I'm starting to think Cyrus was right all along. (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=3602748&page=3&vc=1) /images/graemlins/smile.gif
Honestly, I'm not quite as Machiavellian as Cyrus is - but I'm betting the conservative base will be all riled up for this battle; never a winning proposition for the Democrats, I'm sad to say. One too many Ben Nelsons and Joe Liebermans in this party. But you never know...we could all be talking about the nuclea...err, I mean 'constitutional' option soon enough.
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Just in case you didn't read the far left response (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/31/63127/768)
This is going to be awesome. Kind of reminds me of Michael Corleone talking with Clemenza before he goes after Sollozo and McCluskey.
The benches are going to clear...
AngryCola
10-31-2005, 01:52 PM
Ah, this actually fits in with what I had said previously in the Miers withdrawl thread. This should be interesting.
vulturesrow
10-31-2005, 01:55 PM
To pile on to what you have been saying, Lindsay Graham has already come out on record saying the nomination is not grounds for a filibuster per the agreement betweeen the "Gang of 14". In other words, if the Democrats really try to dig in on this one, there is a very real chance of the nuclear option being used. This is so awesome, Im finally excited about politics again! /images/graemlins/grin.gif
PS I was very much in agreement with Cyrus over this..when he and I agree on something, you need to take it seriously /images/graemlins/smile.gif
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This is going to be awesome. Kind of reminds me of Michael Corleone talking with Clemenza before he goes after Sollozo and McCluskey.
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Michael, youse wahn eye shud get da mattresses outta storage?
Youse gunna be makin' a big batch'a marinara?
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Vulture,
Is Graham the "mouth" for the "14?" Was he accompanied by any Dems when he said that? I hope this isn't a case of him speaking his mind and maybe pissing off the other guys.
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This is going to be awesome. Kind of reminds me of Michael Corleone talking with Clemenza before he goes after Sollozo and McCluskey.
The benches are going to clear...
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I agree with Andrew Sullivan. (http://www.andrewsullivan.com/index.php?dish_inc=archives/2005_10_30_dish_archive.html#113077104816667873):
"The glee with which the partisan right and left will now posture, the money that will be spent, the energies that will be expended - it's not a very edifying spectacle for the Supreme Court. I know it's just where we are, but could we have a little less Beltway glee about it? Conservatives who live for ideological battle, whose main disappointment with Roberts was that he didn't set the stage for a big ol' left-right fight, are not conservative in any meaningful sense. They're ideologues and fanatics. Same goes, of course, for the reflexive hostility on the left. Oh well. Here we go.
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The glee with which the partisan right and left will now posture, the money that will be spent, the energies that will be expended - it's not a very edifying spectacle for the Supreme Court. I know it's just where we are, but could we have a little less Beltway glee about it? Conservatives who live for ideological battle, whose main disappointment with Roberts was that he didn't set the stage for a big ol' left-right fight, are not conservative in any meaningful sense. They're ideologues and fanatics. Same goes, of course, for the reflexive hostility on the left. Oh well. Here we go.
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Elliot, can I have your permission to print this and put it up on my wall?
"I'm luv-vin' it."
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vulturesrow
10-31-2005, 02:37 PM
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Vulture,
Is Graham the "mouth" for the "14?"
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Not to my knowledge.
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Was he accompanied by any Dems when he said that?
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I dont think so.
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I hope this isn't a case of him speaking his mind and maybe pissing off the other guys.
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I think it was a warning shot from Graham, intended to piss off the other guys, or at least serve notice that he wasnt playing ball on this one.
etgryphon
10-31-2005, 02:42 PM
On a serious note...
I think it is a good idea. Alito has a clear track record with court opinions for the last 15 years including some real controversial ones. He will move the court to the right which means that the Dems will have to either put up or shut up rather than the grand standing that happened with Roberts.
The only reason to oppose Alito would be on ideological grounds. This is just swinging the court back from the Ginsburg nomination.
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I think it was a warning shot from Graham, intended to piss off the other guys, or at least serve notice that he wasnt playing ball on this one.
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Interesting thought. Personally, I hope the "14" don't break up. I like the idea of some of our elected getting in the middle of things. I see it as hope they are capable of sitting down and actually finding a way to settle their differences. Like those "old white guys" did 200+ years ago.
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10-31-2005, 06:52 PM
I love this nomination for 2 reasons.
First as a conservative I'm very happy with the pick. With him Scalia, Thomas, and Roberts there will now be solid conservative block. How old is Sutter and Ginsberg? Perhaps the 700 club guy can do some more praying.
Secondly I am so happy that we can now have a good and nasty political fight. This should make for awesome TV and I love it. Go Go Filibuster and then Nuclear option.
TomCollins
10-31-2005, 07:03 PM
Justice Age
John Roberts 50
Clarence Thomas 57
David Souter 66
Stephen Breyer 67
Anthony Kennedy 69
Antonin Scalia 69
Ruth Bader Ginsburg 72
Sandra Day O'Connor 75
John Paul Stevens 85
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10-31-2005, 07:17 PM
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Justice Age
John Roberts 50
Clarence Thomas 57
David Souter 66
Stephen Breyer 67
Anthony Kennedy 69
Antonin Scalia 69
Ruth Bader Ginsburg 72
Sandra Day O'Connor 75
John Paul Stevens 85
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85! I wonder if that old goat is going to try and hang on for 2-3 more years. Oh what a treat that would be.
renodoc
10-31-2005, 08:42 PM
In response to Meir's nomination I wrote:
(three days before Cyrus' oft quoted dribble)
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Poster: renodoc
Subject: Re: Bush picks two Executive Branch defenders to the Supreme Court
I don't really like it, but probably for the same reasons the libs don't either. Perhaps there is a larger scheme in the lurk though, and she is being thrown out there to be dissed as an inexperienced and unqualfied jurist. Then the real deal gets nominated...
btw, "monkeyboy" is pretty juvenile.
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Ship it.
slickpoppa
10-31-2005, 09:14 PM
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Justice Age
John Roberts 50
Clarence Thomas 57
David Souter 66
Stephen Breyer 67
Anthony Kennedy 69
Antonin Scalia 69
Ruth Bader Ginsburg 72
Sandra Day O'Connor 75
John Paul Stevens 85
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85! I wonder if that old goat is going to try and hang on for 2-3 more years. Oh what a treat that would be.
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I wouldn't count on it. Stevens will cling to life longer than Teri Schiavo.
BadBoyBenny
10-31-2005, 09:22 PM
I keep hearing things from posters like...
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Alito is a good judge.
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The only reason to oppose Alito would be on ideological grounds.
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I'm interested to learn more about his record, why he is considered so qualified...
What decisions has Alito written that could be respected by either side?
Why is he accepted as a better judge than your average appellate court justice?
Is there some quote for a decision that demonstrates a brilliant legal mind?
Perhaps some complexity that he has handled in a stellar fashion, or some other reason why he is considered so qualified?
Thanks
Benny
giddyyup
10-31-2005, 10:44 PM
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legally qualified . . . Alito
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Alito is firmly in the realm of this country's best legal minds.
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My question to the studied constitutional scholars who made these opinions is, exactly what was your methodology for coming to these conclusions?
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10-31-2005, 10:51 PM
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legally qualified . . . Alito
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Alito is firmly in the realm of this country's best legal minds.
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My question to the studied constitutional scholars who made these opinions is, exactly what was your methodology for coming to these conclusions?
Or, are you just repeating something you heard on the radio? /images/graemlins/grin.gif
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I support Alito because those commentators, writers and politicians whose opinions I value and who study such things have spoken favorably of him. I suspect many people support his nomination for the same reasons but for whatever reason this is not something people like to say. Whether or not that is sufficient reason for someone to grant the approval of my support is of no concern to me.
Also its worth noting, 90% of the courts decisions will not effect me. However I still strongly support his nomination almost entirely because those people who I tend not to like and who vote incorrectly are oppossed to his nomination. Again in a word spite. I suspect this is pretty common as well.
Here are a couple of linky-dinkies concerning Judge Alito...
<ul type="square"> 1 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173969,00.html)
2 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174031,00.html) [/list]
Ignore the source. Just read the info.
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Here are a couple of linky-dinkies concerning Judge Alito...
<ul type="square"> 1 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173969,00.html)
2 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174031,00.html) [/list]
Ignore the source. Just read the info.
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Here is how he stands on a bunch of issues.
http://media.pfaw.org/stc/AlitoPreliminary.pdf
lehighguy
10-31-2005, 11:41 PM
Wouldn't it be hilarious if he was a vegetable, and there were instructions to let him die, but the republicans were forced to try and keep him alive.
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Wouldn't it be hilarious if he was a vegetable, and there were instructions to let him die, but the republicans were forced to try and keep him alive.
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Are you suggesting an updated version of "Weekend at Bernie's?"
(Or whatever the hell it was.)
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BCPVP
11-01-2005, 02:18 AM
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Here are a couple of linky-dinkies concerning Judge Alito...
<ul type="square"> 1 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173969,00.html)
2 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174031,00.html) [/list]
Ignore the source. Just read the info.
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Here is how a liberal lobby group claims he stands on a bunch of issues.
http://media.pfaw.org/stc/AlitoPreliminary.pdf
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Here are a couple of linky-dinkies concerning Judge Alito...
<ul type="square"> 1 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173969,00.html)
2 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174031,00.html) [/list]
Ignore the source. Just read the info.
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Here is how a liberal lobby group claims he stands on a bunch of issues.
http://media.pfaw.org/stc/AlitoPreliminary.pdf
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Here is the lobby groups views.
http://www.savethecourt.org/site/c.mwK0JbNTJrF/b.1144731/k.AF81/Quick_Facts_on_Samuel_Alito.htm
http://images.pfaw.org/alito100.jpg
BCPVP
11-01-2005, 04:15 AM
A distinction without a difference. Those same sentiments were expressed throughout the "report" by PFAW (that they mention TWICE). Honestly, how do you take something seriously when they can't distinguish between fact and opinion. Do you even know the difference?
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A distinction without a difference. Those same sentiments were expressed throughout the "report" by PFAW (that they mention TWICE). Honestly, how do you take something seriously when they can't distinguish between fact and opinion. Do you even know the difference?
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I know it is slanted to the left but I couldn't find anything that was put out by the righties that was that detailed. Most of the things that have been put out by the right only include one issue and only one issue. If someone could point me towards the link that is his Full record that is not put out by a leftly I would gladly read it. Personally, I don't think the right wants the american people to know his FULL record.
BCPVP
11-02-2005, 07:18 PM
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I know it is slanted to the left
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A huge understatement...
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but I couldn't find anything that was put out by the righties that was that detailed
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This may be because liberal groups have been digging up everything they can about potential nominees in order to smear them. The nominee could probably have been just about any conservative choice and the "report" would have read the same.
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If someone could point me towards the link that is his Full record that is not put out by a leftly I would gladly read it.
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Here's a start. (http://news.findlaw.com/newsmakers/samuel.alito.html)
And another (http://www.scotusblog.com/movabletype/archives/2005/10/alito.html)
It's really not that hard. Google is your friend.
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