5/10NL, KK hand vs Viffer

[Kirkrrr]

Worked up to 1500 or so without showing down, then semi-bluffed a fishy weak-tighty with 44 and couldn't get him to lay down his 88. That's the only showdown the table has seen on my part. Viffer is playing extremely tight, hasn't made any big moves that I've seen. Table is pretty loose/passive.

Hero - BB - (1200) K /images/graemlins/diamond.gifK /images/graemlins/club.gif
Viffer - SB - (covers)

All fold to LP poster, he checks, Viffer completes, I make it 40 even. LP poster folds, Viffer calls quickly.

Flop: 5 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

He checks, bet 50, he insta-calls.

Turn: A /images/graemlins/spade.gif

He checks, Hero...

Kirk

[Kirkrrr]

C'mon... no idea or just a boring hand?

"Uh... I dunno... fold pre-flop." ...or something.

Kirk

[edge]

Who is Viffer? Would he limp with a suited Ace? I'd bet again and probably check through the river.

[Kirkrrr]

He's a good, very aggressive player that several other posters have had the chance to play against in the past.

Bet turn, okay...
The reason I don't like betting that turn is that there's a lot of hands he can c/r me with as both semi-bluffs and for value... either way I don't think I'd be able to call. Hence the post. Do you normally bet in that spot vs aggressive, tricky opponents?

Kirk

[edge]

I don't know. I really dislike posting sometimes because I really can't explain myself. Everyone in Mid/High knows the basics of poker and the fundamental skills involved. Once you get to this level, your advantage over other decent players is mostly in reading game/board/player texture and interaction and being unpredictable and knowing exactly when to apply pressure and all of that stuff. I've said this a number of times, but there's just way too much involved in poker at this level to be able to give a definitive answer through text. When you're playing against other good players, poker almost falls apart and turns into rock/paper/scissors for exorbitant sums of money.

[Kirkrrr]

I pretty much agree with you. Majority of the time I'm not playing my cards, but rather what I think they have, what I think they're putting me on, and then playing whatever garbage I got dealt the way they would expect me to play the nuts if I had them. Which I never f'ing do. Oh well.

*sigh* Okay, looks like no one wants to take a stab at it, so I'll just post results.

Hero - BB - (1200) K K
Viffer - SB - (covers)

All fold to LP poster, he checks, Viffer completes, I make it 40 even. LP poster folds, Viffer calls quickly.

Flop: 5 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

He checks, bet 50, he insta-calls.

Turn: A /images/graemlins/club.gif

He checks, Hero checks.

River: 4 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Villain checks, Hero checks.

Basically, I figured the turn killed my hand, as I got either outdrawn, or whatever hand he had that he thought might be best isn't paying me off anymore. I saw no point whatsoever in betting the river either. But I probably should've potted the flop.

Any other comments (thanks, Edge) appreciated.

Kirk

Edit: Edited title.

[Rococo]

Pot the flop. Otherwise this looks fine to me. You might have gotten paid on a thin value bet on the river if the river card had been something other than a 4 or a 9, but oh well.

[KaneKungFu123]

[ QUOTE ]
Worked up to 1500 or so without showing down, then semi-bluffed a fishy weak-tighty with 44 and couldn't get him to lay down his 88. That's the only showdown the table has seen on my part. Viffer is playing extremely tight, hasn't made any big moves that I've seen. Table is pretty loose/passive.

Hero - BB - (1200) K /images/graemlins/diamond.gifK /images/graemlins/club.gif
Viffer - SB - (covers)

All fold to LP poster, he checks, Viffer completes, I make it 40 even. LP poster folds, Viffer calls quickly.

Flop: 5 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

He checks, bet 50, he insta-calls.

Turn: A /images/graemlins/spade.gif

He checks, Hero...

Kirk

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bet again, with his image you should have an easy fold vs a raise.

[iceman5]

[ QUOTE ]
I pretty much agree with you. Majority of the time I'm not playing my cards, but rather what I think they have, what I think they're putting me on, and then playing whatever garbage I got dealt the way they would expect me to play the nuts if I had them. Which I never f'ing do. Oh well.

*sigh* Okay, looks like no one wants to take a stab at it, so I'll just post results.

Hero - BB - (1200) K K
Viffer - SB - (covers)

All fold to LP poster, he checks, Viffer completes, I make it 40 even. LP poster folds, Viffer calls quickly.

Flop: 5 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

He checks, bet 50, he insta-calls.

Turn: A /images/graemlins/club.gif

He checks, Hero checks.

River: 4 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Villain checks, Hero checks.

Basically, I figured the turn killed my hand, as I got either outdrawn, or whatever hand he had that he thought might be best isn't paying me off anymore. I saw no point whatsoever in betting the river either. But I probably should've potted the flop.

Any other comments (thanks, Edge) appreciated.

Kirk

Edit: Edited title.

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Did you post results? I dont see what he had or who won?
I wouldve fired another $125 on the turn.

[Kirkrrr]

Meh. Sorry.

He had 8 /images/graemlins/club.gif T /images/graemlins/club.gif, I took it down. It just felt wrong all around.

Kirk

[ezmogee]

Seeing what I've seen on this forum about viffer, I like a check behind on the turn here, and a call of up to a pot sized bet on the river no matter what hits. It would not be out of the question for Viffer to call the flop merely to try and take the pot away from you.

I think he fires a lot of hands on the river that miss. I also think he fires mid-pairs. It's far less likely for him to have an ace than it is any other hand.

Obviously if he shoves it allin, you fold, but if he fires out $100, it's an easy call.

E