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RustyCJ

10-31-2005, 12:37 AM

These are 2 situations where I just wasn't sure where I stood, thought I was probably behind and folded.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises, MP2 calls, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, BB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.70 BB

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (7.20 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
BB bets, MP1 folds, Hero folds, Button calls.

River: (9.20 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 11.20 BB

10-31-2005, 12:59 AM

Hand 1: Looks fine. The pot is small anyway. MP2 probably had A4, Ace rag seems pretty popular to call preflop even against a raise.

Hand 2: What do you think BB has here? 75 is pretty awful to call perflop, esp. against a raise. Might have a couple diamonds but that probably won't come in on the river. I would actually guess he has 5 and a high card and was betting on the OESD, which is dumb but that never stopped anyone. Thus I would call his turn bet but fold to the river bet.

He could also have J6 if he was really loose.

shadow29

10-31-2005, 01:11 AM

call x2.

to the other poster advocating a turn call, river fold in hand 2:

wtf?

edit- call down both hands, not just turn.

RustyCJ

10-31-2005, 01:12 AM

in regards to hand 2 - my PF raises are called by all manner of hands at these levels. I see cold calls with 65o, Q8s, 53s, A2o, J2o, it doesn't matter. Most of them will easily toss in 1 more small bet to get in on a raised pot. I was somewhat nervous with 1 overcard on the flop, then I have the BB betting into me after I raised PF and bet the flop with someone to act behind me.

10-31-2005, 01:14 AM

call both down.

you are greater than 50% behind, sure. but you have the odds to play on.

RustyCJ

10-31-2005, 01:18 AM

With hand 1, if I called the turn raise, I was going to call down.

With hand 2 I really thought about calling down but I'm a newb and I don't want to be a calling station either.

NateDog

10-31-2005, 01:22 AM

Hand 2 - Raise turn fold to a 3 bet anyone? Most sets at these levels are check-raised. Could also be a limped overpair. Granted hero's hand has showdown value, and the raise may just buy us a free showdown if we want to take it (and find out what just donked the turn).

LoaferGee12

10-31-2005, 01:53 AM

I think #1 is a definite call-down. This check-raise could be done with a Q.

#2 is a little tougher I'd probably call this down but that doesn't make it right.

LoaferGee12

10-31-2005, 01:54 AM

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Hand 2 - Raise turn fold to a 3 bet anyone? Most sets at these levels are check-raised. Could also be a limped overpair. Granted hero's hand has showdown value, and the raise may just buy us a free showdown if we want to take it (and find out what just donked the turn).

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Given that button is behind us I don't mind this play. I'm taking that free showdown though and I think I'd fold if he donks the river.

10-31-2005, 02:15 AM

seems pretty clear he's on a draw in hand 2, the river scare card makes it even worse.