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1C5

10-30-2005, 07:56 PM

Party $22.

Different situations. Anything you do differently than me?

1. What kind of bet do you make on this river?

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UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t60)
MP1 (t915)
MP2 (t770)
MP3 (t985)
CO (t845)
Button (t1220)
Hero (t640)
BB (t965)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
3 folds, MP1 calls t15, 4 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t45) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 checks.

Turn: (t45) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 bets t15, Hero raises to t45, BB folds, MP1 raises to t75, Hero calls t30.

River: (t195) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets t100, MP1 calls t100.

Final Pot: t395

2. What do you bet here?

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SB (t1110)
BB (t3910)
Hero (t2010)
Button (t970)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Hero raises to t700, 3 folds.

Final Pot: t1150

3. JJ level 2. Call here with many to act behind you or raise and if so, how much?

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UTG (t695)
UTG+1 (t615)
MP1 (t1675)
Hero (t715)
MP3 (t1465)
CO (t365)
Button (t610)
SB (t985)
BB (t875)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 calls t30, Hero raises to t150, 5 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: t255

4. QQ hand. Thoughts on my play?

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MP1 (t800)
Hero (t800)
MP3 (t785)
CO (t775)
Button (t1015)
SB (t755)
BB (t800)
UTG (t755)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t715)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, 2 folds, Hero raises to t75, 3 folds, SB calls t65, BB calls t60, UTG calls t60, UTG+1 calls t60.

Flop: (t375) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets t50, Hero raises to t375, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls t375, UTG+1 calls t325.

Turn: (t1500) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets t350 (All-In), Hero calls t350 (All-In), UTG folds.

River: (t2200) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t2200

5. Do you call this?

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Button (t2473)
SB (t967)
Hero (t590)
UTG (t255)
MP (t1525)
CO (t2190)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
3 folds, Button calls t50, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t150) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets t450, SB folds, Hero raises to t540 (All-In), Button calls t90.

Turn: (t1230) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1230) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1230

6. All streets was kind of lost here including the river.

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MP2 (t1733)
MP3 (t1110)
CO (t807)
Button (t725)
SB (t920)
Hero (t750)
UTG (t240)
UTG+1 (t665)
MP1 (t1050)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif.
3 folds, MP2 calls t30, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t90) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t45, MP2 calls t45, SB calls t45.

Turn: (t225) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t75, MP2 folds, SB calls t75.

River: (t375) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t375

Thanks!

gumpzilla

10-30-2005, 08:11 PM

1. After the turn three-bet from my opponent I'm probably just going to stick it all in right there. No need to horse around against pairs and gutshot draws, and two pair hands (which I think are the most likely holding) will almost certainly call you. I think people are going to three-bet and fold pretty rarely in that spot. I'd probably make a bigger raise on this street (but not by much), and I think I'd bet more like 150-200 on the river, particularly if the pot had been pumped a little more on the turn.

2. I'm not wild about your plan (presumably) of betting 700 and then folding if the BB decides to push. Unless you normally do this kind of thing when you have 7 BBs, it seems like an enticement for BB to come at you and then you've made your life annoying. I think you can push, or you can limp and see if that draws SB to push over you, when you happily call. Maybe button will go nuts too. 88 seems too good to fold to me here.

3. Either way is fine, I think this is heavily dependent on how you like to handle things postflop.

4. Make a smaller flop raise, to 275 or so. It's pretty hard to fold on the turn, but I'm expecting to be shown JT or T9 more often than not given this action, AJ and 88 being the next most likely hands.

5. Sure, I think it's a pretty good call. You probably have 12 or 15 outs, you're getting a decent price to draw to 15, and you need to do some catching up. The closer you are to BB going to 100, the better this is.

6. I'm not sure I'd bet the turn there, but if I were going to bet it I'd probably push a little harder and bet more like 150 or so. I think checking down and calling small bets is the way to go here, as I think this is a WAWB situation more often than not (I'm not too concerned about the straight and backdoor flush draws in this instance.)

splashpot

10-30-2005, 08:16 PM

1. Maybe raise more on the turn. Otherwise fine. On the river, just bet whatever amount you think he'll call. It's difficult to tell sometimes.
2. All in.
3. I'd limp. But raiseing isn't terrible. Just make sure you raise a sizable amount when you do. 150 seems about right.
4. Fine
5. I don't know. His bet of three times the pot is really weird. You might have the odds to go in with this and the fact that you're starting to get desperate has me leaning towards push.
6. Pot the flop. Bet at least 1/2-3/4 the pot on the turn. Take the free showdown.

Afterh0urs

10-30-2005, 08:16 PM

1. I'm not getting away from this in the $22s, meaning, I'm pushing the turn once I'm reraised.

2. Push preflop.

3. Jacks are tricky. I usually just limp with them in the early levels and try to hit my set and win a massive pot. I just dont think the risk reward ratio is in your favor for making a big raise preflop. What happens when an overcard flops? You'll have to bet out for a substantial part of the pot, which will end up being expensive when you find out your opponent hit that overcard.

4. I think you played it fine. Bad turn card for you.

5. I never call here in this situation. If you call, you're most likely a coin flip at best, and I want to be the one initiating my coinflip encounters, not calling my stack off to enter them.

6. Bet the river.

Freudian

10-30-2005, 08:16 PM

1) I would reraise again, probably to 200-250. Because by calling you have to lead out with such a small bet on the river that you don't get paid off even close to well enough.

He seems to like his hand enough for me to think he will call a re-reraise.

2) FPS. Just push.

3) I limp behind.

4) You played this well.

5) Depending on read, I'm fine with folding or calling. Probably fold though. Don't like calling all-ins with a draw.

6) I'd probably check the turn but your line worked out ok.

runner4life7

10-30-2005, 08:16 PM

1. I like the river bet but I think I'd reraise again his turn bet. His reraise shows he at least has something he likes.

2. I think I just push, but I am ok with 700 but then do you call even the big stacks re raise?

3. fine with the JJ

4. I think I call as well

5. I toss this sooo fast, but I could be wrong

6. I play this pretty much the same

pooh74

10-30-2005, 08:18 PM

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Party $22.

Different situations. Anything you do differently than me?

1. What kind of bet do you make on this river?

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UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t60)
MP1 (t915)
MP2 (t770)
MP3 (t985)
CO (t845)
Button (t1220)
Hero (t640)
BB (t965)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
3 folds, MP1 calls t15, 4 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t45) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 checks.

Turn: (t45) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 bets t15, Hero raises to t45, BB folds, MP1 raises to t75, Hero calls t30.

River: (t195) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets t100, MP1 calls t100.

Final Pot: t395

2. What do you bet here?

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SB (t1110)
BB (t3910)
Hero (t2010)
Button (t970)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Hero raises to t700, 3 folds.

Final Pot: t1150

3. JJ level 2. Call here with many to act behind you or raise and if so, how much?

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UTG (t695)
UTG+1 (t615)
MP1 (t1675)
Hero (t715)
MP3 (t1465)
CO (t365)
Button (t610)
SB (t985)
BB (t875)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 calls t30, Hero raises to t150, 5 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: t255

4. QQ hand. Thoughts on my play?

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MP1 (t800)
Hero (t800)
MP3 (t785)
CO (t775)
Button (t1015)
SB (t755)
BB (t800)
UTG (t755)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t715)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, 2 folds, Hero raises to t75, 3 folds, SB calls t65, BB calls t60, UTG calls t60, UTG+1 calls t60.

Flop: (t375) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets t50, Hero raises to t375, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls t375, UTG+1 calls t325.

Turn: (t1500) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets t350 (All-In), Hero calls t350 (All-In), UTG folds.

River: (t2200) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t2200

5. Do you call this?

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Button (t2473)
SB (t967)
Hero (t590)
UTG (t255)
MP (t1525)
CO (t2190)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
3 folds, Button calls t50, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t150) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets t450, SB folds, Hero raises to t540 (All-In), Button calls t90.

Turn: (t1230) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1230) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1230

6. All streets was kind of lost here including the river.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

MP2 (t1733)
MP3 (t1110)
CO (t807)
Button (t725)
SB (t920)
Hero (t750)
UTG (t240)
UTG+1 (t665)
MP1 (t1050)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif.
3 folds, MP2 calls t30, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t90) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t45, MP2 calls t45, SB calls t45.

Turn: (t225) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t75, MP2 folds, SB calls t75.

River: (t375) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t375

Thanks!

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Hand 1:
looks fine, I'd pot the river. I feel like I am missing something on this hand, what do you feel is wrong with the way you played it?

Hand2:
hmmm, hate this situation and I was talking to someone about this recently...Lately Ive been limping and calling raises from the shorties if they push and Ill fold to BB's push perhaps if its folded to him and he pushes. Limping here really achieves the same as what you did.

Hand 3:

This hand is really best left to party experts bc i feel it has so much to do with starting chips. sorry

hand 4:

beh...I'd go broke there too but raise more PF with 2 limpers though!!

Hand 5: seems pretty EV neutral, you're a slight fave if he only has top pair...but you have no FE and 1-1 on money...I'd fold with blinds still at 50.

Hand 6:

I'd probably check behind too, your turn bet is really weak...no need for YOU to block...he seems like he is just calling down with mid pair or something...

microbet

10-30-2005, 08:23 PM

1. river: more like 200
2. push
3. I think that was fine. I might raise a little less.
4. Obviously this hand didn't go well, but I don't see anything wrong with your play.
5. I don't think so. If you were going to call, you certainly should have made the bet in the first place.
6. In the $22s I think this is fine, you will very likely be facing a lower pair. I prefer 100 on the turn.

tigerite

10-30-2005, 08:41 PM

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1. river: more like 200
2. push
3. I think that was fine. I might raise a little less.
4. Obviously this hand didn't go well, but I don't see anything wrong with your play.
5. I don't think so. If you were going to call, you certainly should have made the bet in the first place.
6. In the $22s I think this is fine, you will very likely be facing a lower pair. I prefer 100 on the turn.

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Yeah I agree with all that, on 1 if you think he's really aggressive you can check the river, in the hope he bets then you can push, but it's fancy and not guaranteed to work. He'll definitely call more than 100. Somewhere around 200 seems about right.

applejuicekid

10-30-2005, 11:13 PM

1. I really dislike the small turn raise. By betting more here you can make a bigger bet on the river. As it is I think 200 would be a good river bet.

2. I play this exactly the same way and think it is much better than a push. I am suprised other posters said push. This raise will probably steal the blinds a significant amount of times and against the shorter stacks it puts them all in. If things do get crazy you can dump it and still have a lot of chips left.

3. My default play is to just call here, but I don't hate it.

4. I would raise more preflop, something like 100. I like the rest of your play. However, why not push the flop instead of betting half your stack?

5. Yes. I play it the same way. My plan would be to check raise the flop.

6. I think you played it fine. I would make a slightly bigger bet on the turn and value bet the river.

Simplistic

10-30-2005, 11:30 PM

hands in general look pretty solid

1. bet abit more on the river. 3/4-full pot.
2. push
3. i raise the same.
4.
5. probably fold
6.

gumpzilla

10-30-2005, 11:51 PM

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2. I play this exactly the same way and think it is much better than a push. I am suprised other posters said push. This raise will probably steal the blinds a significant amount of times and against the shorter stacks it puts them all in. If things do get crazy you can dump it and still have a lot of chips left.

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Putting in 1/3 of your stack with the plan of dumping if BB pushes does not leave you with a lot of chips, particularly considering that you're UTG and will be in the BB next hand, in prime position to be stolen from by the huge stack on your right. If pushing feels too risky, then a limp is probably best.

Freudian

10-31-2005, 12:08 AM

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2. I play this exactly the same way and think it is much better than a push. I am suprised other posters said push. This raise will probably steal the blinds a significant amount of times and against the shorter stacks it puts them all in. If things do get crazy you can dump it and still have a lot of chips left.

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Putting in 1/3 of your stack with the plan of dumping if BB pushes does not leave you with a lot of chips, particularly considering that you're UTG and will be in the BB next hand, in prime position to be stolen from by the huge stack on your right. If pushing feels too risky, then a limp is probably best.

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I think folding is better than bet 700/fold to a push from BB.

applejuicekid

10-31-2005, 12:20 AM

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2. I play this exactly the same way and think it is much better than a push. I am suprised other posters said push. This raise will probably steal the blinds a significant amount of times and against the shorter stacks it puts them all in. If things do get crazy you can dump it and still have a lot of chips left.

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Putting in 1/3 of your stack with the plan of dumping if BB pushes does not leave you with a lot of chips, particularly considering that you're UTG and will be in the BB next hand, in prime position to be stolen from by the huge stack on your right. If pushing feels too risky, then a limp is probably best.

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I never said anything about folding if the big stack pushes. And if you do you are still 2nd in chips even after posting the BB. The big stack will push with pretty much the same range of hands that will call an all in.

mlagoo

10-31-2005, 12:42 AM

i dont really feel like responding to all of these, because any of the different lines i take have already been stated in the thread.

i just wanted to say that if these are the worst hands you can find from this month, you are not playing that badly. i know its easy to just cavalierly chalk it up to variance and excuse bad play, but seriously, none of these are THAT bad, and if these are the worst you can find, i'm sure things are ok.

thats not to say you shouldnt take some of the advice in the thread. just dont freak out. its cool.

ilya

10-31-2005, 12:46 AM

Hand 1: For god's sake, *bet the turn*. Raise more if you check. Bet big on river, pot or so.

Hand 2: Easy push.

Hand 3: I think this is fine, I don't have a big problem with limping though.

Hand 4: Fine, I might just shove flop or raise a bit more, to 425-450.

Hand 5: I dunno, read-dependant. Would he make that bet with lots of hands worse than yours?

Hand 6: I would bet the river, maybe 125-150. Also I would often check on the flop.

AA suited

10-31-2005, 01:15 AM

#1: n/m. didnt see the set. let me re-evauluate.
edit: re-reraise on the turn then bet 1/2 pot on river.

#2: sngpt says push even if everyone's calling range is as low as <22+,A2+,K2+,Q2s+,Q6o+,J7s+,J9o+,T8s+,98s>

#3: limp. too many people to act after you

#4: QQ- i would have called also. if he has trip 10's, then so be it and start a new SnG

#5: yes call. 2 overs + nut flush draw = 15 outs. it's 1:1 with 2 cards to be seen.

#6: it's a ragged flop. i would have check/raised on the flop.
on the turn, i would have bet 1/2pot to protect vs the flush draw.
i would have checked on the river too. i'm wary that tpgk might be no good when someone check/calls on flop + river.

pooh74

10-31-2005, 01:40 AM

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2. I play this exactly the same way and think it is much better than a push. I am suprised other posters said push. This raise will probably steal the blinds a significant amount of times and against the shorter stacks it puts them all in. If things do get crazy you can dump it and still have a lot of chips left.

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Putting in 1/3 of your stack with the plan of dumping if BB pushes does not leave you with a lot of chips, particularly considering that you're UTG and will be in the BB next hand, in prime position to be stolen from by the huge stack on your right. If pushing feels too risky, then a limp is probably best.

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I never said anything about folding if the big stack pushes. And if you do you are still 2nd in chips even after posting the BB. The big stack will push with pretty much the same range of hands that will call an all in.

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If you're not going to fold when the bigstack pushes, then why the hell not push yourself!? Thats a terrible line if you plan on simply calling the all-in!

applejuicekid

10-31-2005, 01:55 AM

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2. I play this exactly the same way and think it is much better than a push. I am suprised other posters said push. This raise will probably steal the blinds a significant amount of times and against the shorter stacks it puts them all in. If things do get crazy you can dump it and still have a lot of chips left.

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Putting in 1/3 of your stack with the plan of dumping if BB pushes does not leave you with a lot of chips, particularly considering that you're UTG and will be in the BB next hand, in prime position to be stolen from by the huge stack on your right. If pushing feels too risky, then a limp is probably best.

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I never said anything about folding if the big stack pushes. And if you do you are still 2nd in chips even after posting the BB. The big stack will push with pretty much the same range of hands that will call an all in.

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If you're not going to fold when the bigstack pushes, then why the hell not push yourself!? Thats a terrible line if you plan on simply calling the all-in!

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I don't advocate folding when the big stack pushes. However, if the big stack is super tight you will save yourself from busting by not pushing all in. And you will also prevent busting out when the remaining 3 players move all in.

pooh74

10-31-2005, 02:05 AM

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2. I play this exactly the same way and think it is much better than a push. I am suprised other posters said push. This raise will probably steal the blinds a significant amount of times and against the shorter stacks it puts them all in. If things do get crazy you can dump it and still have a lot of chips left.

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Putting in 1/3 of your stack with the plan of dumping if BB pushes does not leave you with a lot of chips, particularly considering that you're UTG and will be in the BB next hand, in prime position to be stolen from by the huge stack on your right. If pushing feels too risky, then a limp is probably best.

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I never said anything about folding if the big stack pushes. And if you do you are still 2nd in chips even after posting the BB. The big stack will push with pretty much the same range of hands that will call an all in.

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If you're not going to fold when the bigstack pushes, then why the hell not push yourself!? Thats a terrible line if you plan on simply calling the all-in!

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I don't advocate folding when the big stack pushes. However, if the big stack is super tight you will save yourself from busting by not pushing all in. And you will also prevent busting out when the remaining 3 players move all in.

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so why not limp?

applejuicekid

10-31-2005, 03:23 AM

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2. I play this exactly the same way and think it is much better than a push. I am suprised other posters said push. This raise will probably steal the blinds a significant amount of times and against the shorter stacks it puts them all in. If things do get crazy you can dump it and still have a lot of chips left.

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Putting in 1/3 of your stack with the plan of dumping if BB pushes does not leave you with a lot of chips, particularly considering that you're UTG and will be in the BB next hand, in prime position to be stolen from by the huge stack on your right. If pushing feels too risky, then a limp is probably best.

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I never said anything about folding if the big stack pushes. And if you do you are still 2nd in chips even after posting the BB. The big stack will push with pretty much the same range of hands that will call an all in.

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If you're not going to fold when the bigstack pushes, then why the hell not push yourself!? Thats a terrible line if you plan on simply calling the all-in!

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I don't advocate folding when the big stack pushes. However, if the big stack is super tight you will save yourself from busting by not pushing all in. And you will also prevent busting out when the remaining 3 players move all in.

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so why not limp?

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Because you won't be able to steal the blinds (something I am assuming will happen at a fairly high rate). Also limping allows the short stacks to push.

curtains

10-31-2005, 03:33 AM

1C5 I tried to send you a private message but your inbox is full.

Slim Pickens

10-31-2005, 03:58 AM

1) On the turn, MP1 either has you crushed with KK, QQ, or AJ, or is a total idiot. The river bailed you out of one of those hands. He's probably an idiot though given the buy-in and all that small raising. 200 minimum.

2) I open all-in. If that's my BB and you do that, I'm pushing any two back and you're probably correct to fold then.

3) You did exactly what I would have done. I think there is very little difference between your play and just calling over all and these aren't the kinds of hands you should worry about.

4) I raise all-in on that flop. If your chips are going in, they might as well all go in when you have the best chance to be way ahead, or something.

5) Easy call. You're ahead of top pair, and there's a big chance he's betting a flush draw (maybe with a little something else, maybe not) that isn't actually good.

6) I make the flop bet about 3/4 of the pot rather than 1/2. Very few players at the 22's are capable of committing a lot of their chips on a turn bluff, even if their opponent has shown weakness. That being said, the turn bet is still a good blocker in case he's hiding a monster. The check on the river is compulsory.

Slim Pickens

10-31-2005, 04:09 AM

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6. All streets was kind of lost here including the river.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 (t1733)
MP3 (t1110)
CO (t807)
Button (t725)
SB (t920)
Hero (t750)
UTG (t240)
UTG+1 (t665)
MP1 (t1050)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, T.
3 folds, MP2 calls t30, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t90) 6, K, 5 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t45, MP2 calls t45, SB calls t45.

Turn: (t225) 9 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t75, MP2 folds, SB calls t75.

River: (t375) 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t375

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Hand 6: I would bet the river, maybe 125-150. Also I would often check on the flop.

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I understand sometimes checking this flop. I would then check-call the turn and lead at the river. The problem I have with betting the flop, turn, and river is that you're setting yourself up for a big check-raise on the river that you really don't want to deal with. At that point, you'll have no idea where you stand with a lot of chips at stake.