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xGoreDudex
10-30-2005, 07:28 PM
I began taking a shot at the $10+1 sit&go's starting two days ago, I've played and won them before, even at the $20 level, however being a limit hold'em player I never ventured into them full-time. Beleiving I was a better sit & go player I decided to try out a couple and see how I faired.

well not very pretty so far, and something is quite off here
I've played 12 sit & gos and am 2-10, but my 2 is two wins. Here are a couple of questions I have about a few of my bust-out hands.

#2.Level 3 - I had 700 chips remaining I had JQ in the BB i checked, flopped the nuts straight, guy ahead goes all in, I call he shows KT for two pair, I show straight T to A, he hits a K on the river busting me with a fullhouse

#3. Level 3- I have 500 chips made a gay play with AJ the hand before and get QQ. I'm in seat 7 go all pre-flop, guy calls me with K9 hearts, hits runner runner and hits his flush.

#4. Level 2 - I have KQ in the bb, i check thru and flop comes 4-5-Q rainbow. I bet the pot, guy re-raises all in, I call thinking he has QJ or TQ, he shows 55 for a set. nh to him.

#5. Level 6 - I'm on the bubble and have KK 1100 chips, I push all in, guy calls with J9, flop comes 99T turn and river no help im out in fourth.

Anything crazy about any of these plays? the thing that is frusterating so far, now I realzie 12 sit & gos is nothing but I either win, or can't get near the cash..is this typically normal of a poor player?


Thanks, just wondering if I should quit now

G.

MegaBet
10-30-2005, 07:31 PM
nice sample size.

splashpot
10-30-2005, 07:34 PM
1) Are you seriously asking what you should do when you have the nuts?
2)You don't mention what the blinds are. If they are at least 50/100, going all in is obvious. If they are 25/50 or lower, you could probably make a smaller raise.
3)Stack sizes are important. Can't decide without knowing stack sizes and blinds.
4)Once again, you're just posting bad beat hands. Are you seriously looking for someone to tell you you should have folded KK?

10-30-2005, 07:34 PM
Smacks of a MBBP (multiple-bad-beat-post) too.

You know you didn't do anything crazy. You know these are bad beats. Write them down in a journal if it helps you. People here are just going to get pissed at you for posts like this.

And if you DON'T know those things then, yes, quitting is probably appropriate.

eagle
10-30-2005, 07:36 PM
Of course he should have folded. You guys are too loose.

xGoreDudex
10-30-2005, 07:37 PM
Boys,
these are from the 5 sit & gos i busted from earlier today,
I'm posting this just after winning one, sorry if this came across as a bad beat post, my question was in regards to pushing too early, should I,

I.e bet the pot more and react from there
just was wondierng if the push or fold mantality is getting me in trouble, I know these are bad beats but wondering if they are avoidable as well in some situations.

Thanks

10-30-2005, 07:37 PM
The point here isn't the specific nuances of the hands in question. The point is that this is mostly a bullshit post.

splashpot
10-30-2005, 07:38 PM
BTW, you said you're a limit player. Playing 12 sngs and asking for analysis of your stats is like playing 30 hands of limit hold'em and asking why you can't win.

axeshigh
10-30-2005, 07:39 PM
It is typical to either win or lose, very rarely will anyone tie in sit and go's. Also, you should have folded all of these preflop, since you should have known that you were going to lose. Even better yet, you should only have played in the tournaments that you ended up winning.

splashpot
10-30-2005, 07:41 PM
Fine. The first hand you have the nuts. Fold.
Last hand, you have the second best starting hand. Fold.

Seriously man, why post these hands when the answers are so goddamn obvious. They contribute nothing and you learn nothing.

10-30-2005, 07:41 PM
I don't really post much in this forum, but I find it amusing how many people ask questions about their short term variance. You would think the majority of America could answer these simple questions people are asking. I would expect any decent player to answer the questions you asked with ease. The fact that you even brought this question up after 12 sit n gos and 3 bad beats doesn't makes me believe you should quit, but does make me think you have little common sense.

Now all that being said, I'm not even going to address #2, 3 and 5. As for #4, I fold this raise most of the time, as you are almost always behind a set or 2 pair. As for the last question you asked, if over the course of hundreds of sit n go's you only get near the cash 20% of the time, i would assume you are a below average player. and again, anyone with common sense should be able to answer that with ease.

crew
10-30-2005, 07:41 PM
These are bad beats. The calls are possible because you have a limited number of BB. Look at why? Playing too loose, too tight? IF you have more chips ...

runner4life7
10-30-2005, 07:44 PM
please read the FAQ before writing another post here

xGoreDudex
10-30-2005, 07:44 PM
splash,
again man not trying to ruin everybodys night man, and this post can get deleted if its that big of a hassle, no problem I'm here to learn, there is more to sit & gos the obviously I know, but was wondering what you guys do instead of just push/fold.

Thanks for your input.

Double Down
10-30-2005, 07:50 PM
I would say that if you are at a table where you can push with great hands and get called then you should push. The only reason to raise less than a push is if you're afraid that the opposition will fold, but at a level where players will regularly call then you should push.
And whenever they call and catch and give you a beat, just remember that the fish every now and then need to catch, it'll give them all the more reason next time to call.

wahooriver
10-30-2005, 08:26 PM
Greg Raymer said it best after he busted out of these year's WSOP. He felt good about his play because he went in with a nice edge.

Never second guess yourself when you go in with a big advantage. We all get horrendous beats - this is hold'em. The intrigue of the game is that bad beats happen!

Yesterday I was busted out twice with AA at critical times in an SNG. I just ante'd again and tried again.

If you consistently make good plays, you will be a winning player. The important lesson is that you have to shake off bad beats. Many regulars here will give you much grief over posting bad beats.

I assume you are a rookie. Keep your head up and keep making solid plays.