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PokerSparky
10-30-2005, 06:48 PM
Villain was 55/16/2 with a WTS% of 70%.

MP1 was 22.5/5.5/0.75.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (4.16 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6.16 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.16 BB
MrWookie47
10-30-2005, 06:49 PM
How many hands are these stats over? If it's reliable, then nh.
nomadtla
10-30-2005, 06:52 PM
Preflop I'd like another limper or a cold caller before I call with this in the BB.
I love making good plays against Lags as much as the next guy probably a bit of a leak for me but even I wouldn't just call this down with this low a pair. Pick a better spot IMHO.
PokerSparky
10-30-2005, 06:54 PM
Not a huge sample, maybe 50-60 hands.
10-30-2005, 06:58 PM
I would have folded preflop.
And also folded with only a pair of 2s.
SoftcoreRevolt
10-30-2005, 07:06 PM
This guys stats post flop don't seem that insane to suggest that a pair of twos is going to be worth the call down. He sure likes his showdowns, but doesn't seem to be bet bet betting his way to them with nothing.
Aaron W.
10-30-2005, 07:07 PM
I'm not sure if I would call preflop, but I don't utterly hate it (because villain probably raises lots of hands that don't contain an ace).

I would have check-raised the flop.

As you played it, I would have bet the river to keep him from checking behind with overcards.
PokerSparky
10-30-2005, 07:14 PM
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I would have check-raised the flop.

As you played it, I would have bet the river to keep him from checking behind with overcards.

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I considered both of these. As far as c/r the flop, I figured with his high WTSD% that I wasn't going to get him to fold over cards before the river anyway.

On the river I almost bet out, but I felt he would fold overcards to bet, but may fire again with them when checked to.
MrWookie47
10-30-2005, 07:18 PM
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This guys stats post flop don't seem that insane to suggest that a pair of twos is going to be worth the call down. He sure likes his showdowns, but doesn't seem to be bet bet betting his way to them with nothing.

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An agg factor of 2 combined with a VPIP of 55 and a WtSD of 70% is extremely high. This guy is pretty nutty. I agree now that there should have been a c/r on the flop. I'm torn on the river. I don't think this guy is checking behind here very often based on his stats, but he might. I think a more important question his how often he'll raise our river donk with a worse hand. I'd rather not put in two bets on the river with this hand.
MrWookie47
10-30-2005, 07:18 PM
The flop c/r isn't to fold him, it's to fold the other guy.
PokerSparky
10-30-2005, 07:24 PM
Oops, yeah that was definitely another reason I considered raising. I probably should have raised for that specific reason, but I was a bit tentative whether I should even call the flop bet to begin with. So I called and hoped MP1 would fold.