View Full Version : Who is Russ Georgiev
I've seen his name come up lots over on gambling.rec.poker and he posts there too.
He seems to advocate cheating, claiming to have made loads by doing it, but also claims to be a very good player offering straight up tutoring. What’s this all about?
Anyone here know of him, is he well known in the poker world?
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He's mostly known for his idea that almost all of the top pros and many casino employees are cheats and that you cannot win at the high middle limits without cheating. He's a known cheater who is also at least a very good player and has posted some good strategy advice.
He's mostly regarded as "truth-challenged" at best. The problem is that some of what he says is true, and some of the pros (e.g., Sklansky, Negreanu) have met him and confirmed a bit of what he says. So he's not lying 100% of the time, but what % is correct is up for debate.
KaneKungFu123
10-30-2005, 02:47 PM
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and some of the pros (e.g., Sklansky, Negreanu) have met him and confirmed a bit of what he says. So he's not lying 100% of the time
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link?
Negreanu talks about playing with Russ
http://tinyurl.com/a5vv4
Negreanu accuses Doyle and Men (with some controversy)
http://tinyurl.com/7l2lu
There are a lot of posts about Sklansky. Use the Google Groups search (searching for "dsklansky russ" may be the way to go).]
Kevmath
10-30-2005, 03:15 PM
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You know, I WAS using the URL code. It's not like I made no effort to avoid long links.
Anyway, I changed it.
betgo
10-31-2005, 01:28 PM
This appears to be Russ posting what purports to be a private email from Daniel to Russ calling Doyle, Chip, and Men cheaters. Did Negreanu really say that?
The purported email calls these players cheaters, but supplies no information at all as to how they cheat.
FrankStallone
10-31-2005, 04:52 PM
half nut half right
Predator314
10-31-2005, 05:08 PM
He's a nut. No if's and's or but's. So much of a nut that he sent me some DVDs he made. They are the "Cheating Tapes" or something like that. I tried watching one, but the quality was poor and I couldn't make out what they were saying. However, they do make nice coffee table coasters.
disjunction
10-31-2005, 08:05 PM
purp, the rest of the posters in this thread are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except what they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, purp, whether they be poker player's or dealer's, are little. In life's great casino, man is a mere chip, a $1 chip, or a 50 cent piece if that's what you toke, in his intellect as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the ability to find cheaters whereever they may lurk.
Yes, purp, there is a Russ Georgiev.
He exists as certainly as the man at your table who just called a string-bet on the tourist. His presence is as pungent as the alcohol on the breath of the man sitting next to you. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Russ Georgiev! It would be as dreary as if there were no purps. There would be no cheating then, no marked cards, no mechanics, no colluders. No computer labs full of monitors, waiting to thwart you online. The external light which which they glow would be extinguished, as if they were but a single server.
Not believe in Russ Georgiev! You may as well not believe in Doyle Brunson! You might get all the security guards in all the casinos to watch for collusion, but even if they did not see any, what would that prove? Nobody sees Russ Georgiev, but that is no sign that there is no Russ Georgiev. The most real things in poker are the things the players do not see. Did you ever see a super-duper royal flush? Completed by the Ace of Sapphires? Of course not, but that does not mean it's not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders of scamming that go on in this world.
You change the setup, inspect the deck, watch your opponents, tweak the random number generator, to find out how you are losing, but there is a veil covering this unseen world which not the wisest player, nor even the unified poker wisdom of Phil Hellmuth and Stu Unger combined, could discern. Only faith, vigilance, and hand signals can push aside that curtain. Is it all real? Ah purp, in all the casinos in all the world, there is nothing else so real and abiding.
No Russ Georgiev? Thank the Internet that he lives and lives forever. A thousand years from now, nay, 10 times 10,000 years from now, his words will continue to remind of all that we do not see.
Good luck, and enjoy!
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This appears to be Russ posting what purports to be a private email from Daniel to Russ calling Doyle, Chip, and Men cheaters. Did Negreanu really say that?
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As I recall, I think Negreanu admitted the email was real, but then claimed he was drunk when he sent it and had some motivation in trying to manipulate Russ or something. (EDIT: Read through the thread; it seems to be saying the same thing as I recall.)
Search around in Google Groups and maybe you can find more info. I've forgotten a lot of it.
I do remember thinking Russ was making a lot of stuff up but still had sufficient credibility to make me a bit uncomfortable/suspicious.
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Vincent Lepore
11-01-2005, 05:24 PM
Do you have a hidden agenda in your handle, "MasonMom"?
Vince
beset7
11-01-2005, 07:03 PM
nice [censored] post. lol. you can only understand how funny this is if you spent a lot of time on rgp.
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Do you have a hidden agenda in your handle, "MasonMom"?
Vince
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JohnG
11-12-2005, 11:58 PM
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This appears to be Russ posting what purports to be a private email from Daniel to Russ calling Doyle, Chip, and Men cheaters. Did Negreanu really say that?
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Yes he did. Daniel's explanation was that he was not telling the truth in the email. Which of his statements to believe is up to you.
JohnG
11-12-2005, 11:59 PM
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He's a nut. No if's and's or but's.
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So what does that say about the guy that made the tapes?
checkmate36
11-13-2005, 12:49 AM
95% of rat poison is actually healthy for the rat. Its the other 5% that kills it.
I read the posts on rgp, seems as though this guy has an agenda or seeks vindication against those he bad mouths.
How could these players possible cheat in a casino setting? Unless the dealer was in on it.
Is he implying that the big players collude when fresh money sits at the table?
JohnG
11-13-2005, 01:44 AM
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How could these players possible cheat in a casino setting? Unless the dealer was in on it.
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Lots of ways to cheat. He says any cheating pack has management on their side. Dealers can also be brought in to cold deck etc. Cameras, marked cards etc can also be used.
Have a look at the movement of the big game and management over the years.
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Is he implying that the big players collude when fresh money sits at the table?
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Yes. If I recall correctly, he says most of the big game is for show.
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If I recall correctly, he says most of the big game is for show.
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Meaning they're playing with Monopoly money?
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JohnG
11-13-2005, 04:08 AM
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If I recall correctly, he says most of the big game is for show.
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Meaning they're playing with Monopoly money?
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I assume he means they are passing chips around until they attract a sucker.
I have also long thought that some play in the game on other players bankrolls (say chip and doyle's), probably in return for a flat wage. So RussG may mean this also. I used to think this was why negreanu started playing the big game, as he was supposedly broke one minute, and consistently playing in the big game the next. His public attitude also changed around the same time. He stopped shooting his mouth off. This was at a time where it would have been good pr for the big game amongst joe public that worshipped danny- if he played the game, it must be honest, and the rumours are untrue etc. Just an opinion I have.
the most collusion happens in the big game. that is why the rich banker would not play the "team" in a full ring game.
do you guys really think that doyle can last in the big game on his own at his age. a lot of his play on televised events is far from elite play. i agree that he must of been a great player in his prime, but the only reason he is surviving in the big game is because he was grandfathered in (he was one of the original team members).
usually one fish comes to the big game and the "team" destroys him and splits the profits. what a great scam.
and the sadest part....doyle has a flock of groupies who idolize him.
goodguy_1
11-15-2005, 04:34 AM
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half nut half right
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