Another KK - is it good?

[mongoose51]

Villian same as my other KK post 21/7/5 for a 100 hands. Just call the re-raise pf , want to see flop with no A on it. On turn the way the hand is played it looks like I am up against AA, QQ, KK , JJ , but I have played passively, so maybe other hands are possible. Should I have raised on the flop?

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SB ($68.24)
BB ($100)
UTG ($85.82)
MP1 ($237.47)
MP2 ($98)
CO ($100)
Hero ($99.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50. CO posts a blind of $1.
[color=#666666]3 folds</font>, CO (poster) checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $5</font>, SB (poster) calls $4.50, [color=#CC3333]BB raises to $19</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $15, SB folds.

Flop: ($46) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]BB bets $22</font>, Hero calls $22.

Turn: ($90) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
BB calls $58 (All-In), Hero calls ???

I think your beat by QQ or AA here. I don't see a lot of re raises with AA anymore, especially when there is only one person in the pot. So my revision is, I think the only thing beating you here is QQ, but there is a good shot he has it. If you can take him off AA, your beating 2 hands (10 10, JJ) and losing to one (KK).

WIth his call of your preflop and his big lead post flop, I tend to think he either has AA or QQ. Either way you are in trouble. I lay it down.

If your kings where good preflop they aren't any longer due to the Q hitting the flop.
You are lucky if he has something like AK of spades or the last two Kings, I think you are beat here 90% of the time against a 21/7/5 player.

I think you should fold on the flop, don't think a raise will accomplish much in this situation. Can you really fold if he 3 bets the flop with those stacks?

[mongoose51]

He reraised me pf. On the flop I thought I might still be good. On the turn I felt I was up against AA or QQ when he went all in , at best I could hope for KK. I don't see him going all in on the turn with a hand I can beat.

[mongoose51]

Pre flop and on the flop I gave villian a wider range of hands , as he could have seen my pre-flop raise as a blind steal attempt, especially since I didn't reraise pre flop.

Yup, I would say AQ is definitely in his range of holdings.

Is there anything wrong with a push PF?

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He reraised me pf. On the flop I thought I might still be good. On the turn I felt I was up against AA or QQ when he went all in , at best I could hope for KK. I don't see him going all in on the turn with a hand I can beat.

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I dont either. He's betting a big stack and you only have a pair of kings. I hate dumping over pairs... but sometimes you can tell you are beat.

easy call. reraise preflop.

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Yup, I would say AQ is definitely in his range of holdings.

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I don't know many players who 3bet AQ preflop from the big blind :/

The majority of the time I think you're beat here...lay it down

[Godfather80]

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WIth his call of your preflop and his big lead post flop, I tend to think he either has AA or QQ. Either way you are in trouble. I lay it down.

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Big lead postflop? Villain bet $22 into a pot of $46. There are reasons to lay this down on the turn, but Villain's "big" flop bet isn't one of them.

im thinking he is defending his BB, so you dont need to give him credit for having AA or QQ because a lot of players will flat call with a hand like this in the blind in order to try and get more out of you. hes raising up to 4 times your initial raise, so im thinking if his hand is THAT strong.. aka AA or QQ as stated before that hes going to try and get you to not be scared away. Something like AQ is something he might try and push you out of the hand with.. and seeing you call his bets and not really show any aggression gives him more and more reason to push you around.

personally, after his $20 re-raise im pushing all-in preflop.. you probably have him here and if he wants to call you with something like A /images/graemlins/spade.gifK, A /images/graemlins/spade.gifQ, QQ then thats fine because you made the right decision and got your money in when you were the favorite. If he has AA, then you are in trouble. But, at lower limits like these, you need to take advantage of your big hands.

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WIth his call of your preflop and his big lead post flop, I tend to think he either has AA or QQ. Either way you are in trouble. I lay it down.

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It's fair to note that opponents don't always play so solidly, or only aggressively with truly big hands. I've watched a number of opponents play this exact way with TPGK/TPTK Just a draw, or even second pair.

It very muchly depends on the current state of the game and what has happened in the last few hands

Yeah - I didnt really notice the total size of the pot. 1/2 pot isnt really "big" huh?

[xcrack999]

I think it's a call. Villain has AK, AQ, or JJ way more than 28% of the time.

Don't discount the possibility he is on AQ - re-raise PF to protect his Blind with a good hand... then the 1/2 pot bet to 'see' where he was. Your call rather than a re-raise could give him the information that you have like KQ or similar - probably suited - hence he feels he is in front and want s to drive you out before the river - and is not giving you draw odds...
Just a thought...
Could just as easily have AA or QQ - but that 1/2 pot bet mitigates against either .. especiallly QQ

I'm never folding to this flop bet. If you are the reraiser preflop you are pretty much making a continuation bet 90% of the time. I have a tough time calling this turn push though. You're probably looking at AA or QQ most of the time here. Not saying I would fold, but I would feel sick about calling.

[mongoose51]

I can see that since I didn't re-raise pf, that he would strongly suspect that I don't have AA or KK, but since I called his re-raise he would probably know that I wasn't just on a steal. I didn't re-raise pf because I wanted to see that an A didn't flop. I really thought that he was raising pf w/big pair or AK, much more so than AQ.

If I don't re-raise pf, then maybe I should have raised him on the flop when an A didn't come.