Was I the fish or were they the fish?

[jj_frap]

BisonBison currently down, so bare with me.

PokerStars Game #2907833608: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/10/27 - 18:37:29 (ET)
Table 'Devosa II' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: juliuspage ($10 in chips)
Seat 2: Nosca ($9.75 in chips)
Seat 3: jj_frap ($17.90 in chips)
Seat 4: Paolobmw1 ($5.25 in chips)
Seat 5: Floofy ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Skow-go ($27.15 in chips)
Seat 7: winallin2 ($34.30 in chips)
Seat 8: TJoe19 ($5 in chips)
Seat 9: tlp9ball ($9.75 in chips)
Floofy: posts small blind $0.10
Skow-go: posts big blind $0.25
TJoe19: posts big blind $0.25
juliuspage: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jj_frap [8s Tc Ac Ad]
winallin2: folds
TJoe19: checks
tlp9ball: folds
winallin2 leaves the table
juliuspage: checks
Nosca: folds
jj_frap: raises $1.10 to $1.35
Paolobmw1: folds
Floofy: calls $1.25
Skow-go: calls $1.10
TJoe19: calls $1.10
juliuspage: calls $1.10
*** FLOP *** [4d Th 3c]
Floofy: checks
Skow-go: checks
TJoe19: checks
juliuspage: checks
jj_frap: bets $6.45
Floofy: folds
Skow-go: folds
TJoe19: calls $3.65 and is all-in
juliuspage: calls $6.45
*** TURN *** [4d Th 3c] [8d]
juliuspage: checks
jj_frap: bets $10.10 and is all-in
juliuspage: calls $2.20 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [4d Th 3c 8d] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
juliuspage: shows [6s Td 5s Qd] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
jj_frap: mucks hand
juliuspage collected $9.55 from side pot
TJoe19: shows [Ts 8h Qs 7d] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
TJoe19 collected $8.45 from main pot
juliuspage collected $8.40 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $27.70 Main pot $16.85. Side pot $9.55. | Rake $1.30
Board [4d Th 3c 8d Qh]
Seat 1: juliuspage showed [6s Td 5s Qd] and won ($17.95) with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 2: Nosca folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jj_frap mucked [8s Tc Ac Ad]
Seat 4: Paolobmw1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Floofy (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Skow-go (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: winallin2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: TJoe19 showed [Ts 8h Qs 7d] and won ($8.45) with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 9: tlp9ball folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Nice, you had exactly 2 outs to win that pot.

When people suspect that you hold A-A-x-x they will often call with just a pair to try and draw out against you. Given that both players were so short-stacked, there is very little that you can do once they called the flop.

I don't like raising marginal A-A-x-x hands in the smaller limit games, as all it usually does is create a large pot that you will miss a majority of the time. Then, when you do hit, it is hard to get paid off. It all depends on your pre-flop aggression level though...

[joewatch]

I think you are the fish.

At this level, play tight, and just peddle the nuts. Don't try anything fancy. I wouldn't even semibluff.

[Simplistic]

they were both shortstacked so the play isn't horrible, but I check/fold the turn.

[jj_frap]

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they were both shortstacked so the play isn't horrible, but I check/fold the turn.

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Against LP PLO 25 players?

Bad players + me holding AAT8 in my hand + raised pot = Set unlikely in this scenario.

[Tilt]

With AA, I would bet 1/2 the pot on the flop and fold to a c/r. If called and checked to check behind, see the river and decide what to do from there.

What you must realize is 4 disconnected cards that catch a single pair on the flop are not really far behind AA (about 40% equity). And against two pair you are behind (30 - 40% equity).