($33): 13xBB pre-flop decision, KQo.

[xJMPx]

I find it very difficult to make decisions with hands when my stack is between 10-15xBB...should u just push under the right circumstance, raise if you have position, fold, etc.?

Here's an example, how do you play this?

CO+2 ( $985 )
CO+1 ( $2055 )
CO ( $1370 )
Button ( $1865 )
Hero ( $650 )
BB ( $1075 )
Trny:16920791 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ K/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ]
4 folds , <font color="red">Hero ???? </font>

[rbear]

50 chips isn't worth the push... i 3x BB here

[schwza]

i'd make it 150 and fold to a push.

[liucipher]

Question:

Say the flop comes all blanks (7 8 3 rainbow). What continuation bet would you continue with? What if the flop has an ace?

[jgunnip]

It depends on your read of the BB, is he tight? loose? agressive? does he like to overly defend his blinds? While you won't know these things about all the players at your table its good to get in the habit figuring out some sort of player profile for those in your blinds.

Also, another factor to consider is the staus of the blinds. If they are going up within the next two or three hands I'm much more likely to push this.

[xJMPx]

Firstly, I don't have much of a read on his play, which probably means he's not overly donkish. Ie., I don't think he would call without a premium hand. Secondly, he has commented on other's poor play, so he thinks he good at least. Thirdly, he's multi-tabling so I'll give him credit for knowing what he's doing (maybe a bad assumption.)

These things combined, I would say he's pretty tight for calling a push, but I'm not sure how he'll handle a 3xBB raise.

To answer your second question, the blinds where going up in the next 3-4 hands.

My question is, say I make the 3xBB raise and get called. Now I'm out of position, most likely will miss the flop and only have 10xBB left. Do I make a 1/2 pot size continuation bet into a non-scary flop? If I get raised, drop the hand leaving myself with 7xBB which will be 3.5xBB in a couple hands?

Ps. jgunnip, you were at this table!

[pineapple888]

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Firstly, I don't have much of a read on his play, which probably means he's not overly donkish. Ie., I don't think he would call without a premium hand. Secondly, he has commented on other's poor play, so he thinks he good at least. Thirdly, he's multi-tabling so I'll give him credit for knowing what he's doing (maybe a bad assumption.)

These things combined, I would say he's pretty tight for calling a push, but I'm not sure how he'll handle a 3xBB raise.

To answer your second question, the blinds where going up in the next 3-4 hands.

My question is, say I make the 3xBB raise and get called. Now I'm out of position, most likely will miss the flop and only have 10xBB left. Do I make a 1/2 pot size continuation bet into a non-scary flop? If I get raised, drop the hand leaving myself with 7xBB?

Ps. jgunnip, you were at this table!

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Default is to just make a standard raise for that table, probably 3x or 3.5x.

I'm not pushing unless I'm convinced he's calling with a worse hand than mine, which seems unlikely.

I'm not folding because I'm getting low on chips and want to stir things up.

I suppose a call is reasonable to be "nice" and set up future steals.

If you get called after raising, then post-flop, it's time to play some poker. You just have to go with your instincts at that point, I think.

[rbear]

risk/reward for push is insane.... what exactly does he call a push w/? save yourself some chips and 3x
i personally continuation any flop
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[jgunnip]

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Ps. jgunnip, you were at this table!

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Yes. I believe we were at two tables together during that set and IIRC both of those tables had at least 3 other multi-tablers and were fairly tight.

[bones]

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50 chips isn't worth the push... i 3x BB here

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75 chips. It seems small, but if you consistently don't include the sb that's already in the pot, you're going to be making mistakes as far as correct pushing ranges.

[bones]

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what exactly does he call a push w/? save yourself some chips and 3x
i personally continuation any flop

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Not to pile on you here, but this line of thinking contradicts itself.

[rbear]

it's all good bro,... i'm sure there are many areas of my game that need work. The only point that I'm trying to make is that QK is surely far ahead of a random BB. Far enough ahead on average to never fold this pf, imo. That said, if you do run into a monster, most times BB will reraise pf or continuation, thus saving you ~7 bb's...

[bones]

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it's all good bro,... i'm sure there are many areas of my game that need work. The only point that I'm trying to make is that QK is surely far ahead of a random BB. Far enough ahead on average to never fold this pf, imo. That said, if you do run into a monster, most times BB will reraise pf or continuation, thus saving you ~7 bb's...

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I understand your reasoning. My point is that your line (150 and c-bet regardless) turns KQ into any 2 cards, when its value is greater than that.

[rbear]

so do you 3x BB? limp? what's your line?