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Amerretto

10-27-2005, 02:05 PM

Cryptologic 1.00/2.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link (http://www.darksun.lunarpages.com/poker/)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
4 folds, MP3 calls, CO checks, 1 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4.00 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP3 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Should I have check raised here, though in early position, I still feel my initial bet was correct. 

Turn: (5.00 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, MP3 raises, CO folds, Hero calls.
Where it all goes wrong, I guess I should reraise, and call if bet into

River: (10.00 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP3 caps, Hero calls.

Went to town, saw my nice A flush 

Final Pot: 18.00 BB.

Did I play this really badly, my initial thoughts after reviewing the hand is that, I should have reraised the Turn, and cooled off on the River, especially when the board paired. End result I think would have been the same, though. Let me know, trying to plug the leaks.

Result:
Villain flips the 9 /images/graemlins/heart.gif and my session turned into an instant loss

MrWookie47

10-27-2005, 02:09 PM

MP3 c/r'd the turn on a 4flush board. You have the 3rd nuts. No way in hell am I 3betting that river.

Edit: 3rd nuts because I'm not even talking about the boat/quads possibilities. I don't think MP's play makes sense for either.

Rev. Good Will

10-27-2005, 02:09 PM

probably would raise PF

3-bet flop

bet out turn, only reason to check here would be to go for a C/R and knock out MP3, which we don't want to do with the 2nd nuts.

SoftcoreRevolt

10-27-2005, 02:27 PM

Second nuts on the turn, two people can't have the 9 of hearts.

MrWookie47

10-27-2005, 02:34 PM

K/images/graemlins/heart.gif9/images/graemlins/heart.gif is the nuts, given that we have the A/images/graemlins/heart.gif. 9/images/graemlins/heart.gifX is the second nuts. A/images/graemlins/heart.gifX is the third.

Aaron W.

10-27-2005, 02:35 PM

I would have raised preflop. The limpers are probably pretty weak since the first open-limped and the second over-limped.

The flop bet is good. You hope to take it down right away, but you're not in trouble if you get raised.

On the turn, I think you've got to lead. There's no reason to think that villain is going to want to bet into a 4-straight-flush board. As you played it, 3-bet it.

On the river, I'm not 3-betting. Not only is the board paired, but he's still pushing his hand. He might be overplaying K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, but that's unlikely (it's even more unlikely that he's overplaying another heart). So he either has the straight flush or a boat (or is stupid).

Aaron W.

10-27-2005, 02:38 PM

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3-bet flop

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I don't like this. The chances of Hero having the best hand are in doubt. He has a good draw, but it's just a draw and there are only two villains in the pot.

Amerretto

10-27-2005, 02:58 PM

Villain, had VIP of >30%, so I guessed he might have overplayed K /images/graemlins/heart.gif but to be brutally honest, it was me that overplayed it. He played a few hands previously pretty loosely, in this case he had 9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif9 /images/graemlins/heart.gif Miracle 8 sunk me.

I took the conscious decision not to give him credit for the 9 /images/graemlins/heart.gif. Losing to the straight flush is poker, but what I am more annoyed about, is how I played the river considering the boat was out there and quads. I think at this point I should have given him some credit and not three bet.

At the end of the day I'm still down the same amount, from the flop, 6 BB, but I am miffed the way I played the river.

numeri

10-27-2005, 03:02 PM

Preflop should be a raise unless you have a super-tight read on MP3 or CO. You have the best hand a significant amount of time here.

Flop looks good, though a 3-bet wouldn't be bad. We have 2pr+set outs and the obvious flush outs. The 2pr outs are tainted, since any K has a straight, so I don't mind calling and letting MP3 stay in.

Bet the turn. You have the best hand like 99% of the time here.

River bet is fine, but the 3-bet is probably excessive. Next time river the K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.

EDIT: River. I no think goot.

Amerretto

10-27-2005, 03:03 PM

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3-bet flop

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Thinking about this, I have only middle pair, is this not a WA/WB situation, ie I've got to hit my draw, and if I hit my draw, then I should be charging players on the expensive streets.

Though I guess with my flush draw, and pair, I could probably bet for value, if I reckon all players will call.

MrWookie47

10-27-2005, 03:06 PM

Just because it's a straight flush doesn't mean it is a strikingly remote possibility when four of the five cards needed are on the board. On that turn, there are 45 possible ways for him to have a straight flush! Now, a lot of those ways would have been folded preflop, but his play looks overwhelmingly like a flush of some sort and not a boat or quads. If you have a set or two pair or even a straight, are you honestly going to be c/ring that turn? As you played it, you could practicly fold to his river cap.

Note that I removed the possibilities of a boat and quads from the set of possible hands and emphasized the straight flush, where you did the opposite.

Amerretto

10-27-2005, 03:27 PM

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If you have a set or two pair or even a straight, are you honestly going to be c/ring that turn...

Note that I removed the possibilities of a boat and quads from the set of possible hands and emphasized the straight flush, where you did the opposite.

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Ok, I did the opposite, and I see now that the check raise on the turn is the give away. You can practically define his hand at this point, to as you said an overplayed flush, or straight flush.

My thinking was and is flawed, in a pretty major way then. Need to get some study done on hand reading by the looks of it. Would never have thought that in the heat of the battle. /images/graemlins/blush.gif