Most profitable hand?

I was curious as to what fellow posters thought to be the most profitable preflop hand? Before everyone starts yelling "Duhhh..AA", keep in mind I am asking most profitable not highest win %. A brief explanation would be appreciated as well..

[citanul]

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I was curious as to what fellow posters thought to be the most profitable preflop hand? Before everyone starts yelling "Duhhh..AA", keep in mind I am asking most profitable not highest win %. A brief explanation would be appreciated as well..

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AA. duh.

imo, this thread sucks.

c

[UMTerp]

Duhhh... AA. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Because most of the money goes in preflop in SNGs, and it has the highest win percentage.

However, there are frequently times when AA should be folded preflop, as it does not play well in 'multi-way pots'.

[pineapple888]

Somebody lock this thread before I throw up.

[tigerite]

LOL. That's a good one /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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However, there are frequently times when AA should be folded preflop, as it does not play well in 'multi-way pots'.

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Can you tell me what limits you play where and under what ID? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

LOL..Some real charmers here..So you just get AA preflop and go all in and everyone calls everytime..Hmm must be some high end games?? Level 1-4/5 I seriously doubt your getting my entire stack with AA but if you have AA I just may get yours. I ask this question as I heard it being discussed on ESPN during a recent WSOP event by Phil Gordon. MTT's are a different animal but similar logic could be applied but I guess its funner to post "This sucks"!

Citanul dumbest post?/ Great job moderating buddy!!

[Hornacek]

If you've played SNGs at all, you'll know that SNGs and MTTs are COMPLETELY different. Harrington admits it in HoH, and nearly and good player here will attest to that. Maybe it would be better off placed in the MTT forum?

AA can be very profitable in the SNGs with total donks.

and while I'm at it...

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If you've played SNGs at all, you'll know that SNGs and MTTs are COMPLETELY different. Harrington admits it in HoH, and nearly and good player here will attest to that. Maybe it would be better off placed in the MTT forum?

AA can be very profitable in the SNGs with total donks.

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But what if you're down to 6 players on the Step Higher 5 and on the big blind and everyone before you goes allin? Duh. AA goes to the muck--instafold. AA is not necessarily profitable as you may think.

Plus, half the time I get heads-up I get sucked out on anyway. Better to wait for a solid edge post-flop, where experts make all their money.

[Nicholasp27]

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However, there are frequently times when AA should be folded preflop, as it does not play well in 'multi-way pots'.

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i hope, for your sake, you are joking here

if u aren't, then u are at that level of 'dangerous amount of knowledge'...

[Nicholasp27]

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half the time I get heads-up I get sucked out on anyway. Better to wait for a solid edge post-flop, where experts make all their money.

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so it's ok to fold hands that u are 70%+ against pf because u remember the times u get sucked out on and forget the times u don't, so it seems like u get sucked out on too often with premium hands?

[MegaBet]

Please recharge sarcasm detector.

[kyro]

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I was curious as to what fellow posters thought to be the most profitable preflop hand? Before everyone starts yelling "Duhhh..AA", keep in mind I am asking most profitable not highest win %. A brief explanation would be appreciated as well..

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AA. duh.

imo, this thread sucks.

c

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I agree. BAN HIM!

[se2schul]

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Plus, half the time I get heads-up I get sucked out on anyway. Better to wait for a solid edge post-flop, where experts make all their money.

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I love it when people defy math like this. You DON'T get sucked out on HALF the time.

It is so RARELY correct to fold AA PF that most people shouldn't even consider doing it.

In a Step 5 higher it is SUPER unlikely that all the other 6 remaining players push in front of you while you hold AA.

Most experts who make their money with stellar post-flop play do so in tournaments with deeper stacks than the low-limit Party SNGs.

This thread sucks.

[lorinda]

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LOL..Some real charmers here..So you just get AA preflop and go all in and everyone calls everytime..Hmm must be some high end games?? Level 1-4/5 I seriously doubt your getting my entire stack with AA but if you have AA I just may get yours. I ask this question as I heard it being discussed on ESPN during a recent WSOP event by Phil Gordon. MTT's are a different animal but similar logic could be applied but I guess its funner to post "This sucks"!

Citanul dumbest post?/ Great job moderating buddy!!

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What cards could I get your whole stack with?

Lori

Trolling is just too easy on this board :-)

Chill, I have a BS in Math.

Ok now somebody close the thread.

[se2schul]

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Chill, I have a BS in Math.

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Well I really wish you didn't have one....

I also have a Math degree, and I really, really don't want people to start believing that mathies are goofballs who believe that:
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there are frequently times when AA should be folded preflop, as it does not play well in 'multi-way pots'.

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Chill, I have a BS in Math.

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Well I really wish you didn't have one....

I also have a Math degree, and I really, really don't want people to start believing that mathies are goofballs who believe that:
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there are frequently times when AA should be folded preflop, as it does not play well in 'multi-way pots'.

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Would you have them believe that mathies cannot recognize sarcasm even after it's been openly tagged by its creator as disingenuous?

[swiftrhett]

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That's really funny--I've never seen that site before.

Wow, it fucks up formatting :-)

[valenzuela]

this guy just want you to answer what they want to hear.

Look the most profitable hands are:
1)AKs
2)TT
3)AA

AKs because when you hit your TP you will get payed off so frequently, plus its not that hard to fold if you miss the flop. flushes are very profitable as well, but those typical 15 outers are profitable as well.
Look with AA you win the MOST pots, but Im not sure about EV, with AA you win a small pot or you lose a big one, how many times have you lost to a set, do you get action from that small pair when he doesnt hit..i thought so. Also when u hit your set, theres only one ace left on the deck...not sure youre going to get payed off.
The most profitable pocket pair is TT because you have more straights possibility, I would say most pocket pairs dominate aces with stacks deep enough( however lets not forget aces are more poritable against unpaired hands), TT is the best because you have straight possibilites and u can get away more easily from your hand.

[se2schul]

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Would you have them believe that mathies cannot recognize sarcasm even after it's been openly tagged by its creator as disingenuous?

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Yes.
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this guy just want you to answer what they want to hear.

Look the most profitable hands are:
1)AKs
2)TT
3)AA

AKs because when you hit your TP you will get payed off so frequently, plus its not that hard to fold if you miss the flop. flushes are very profitable as well, but those typical 15 outers are profitable as well.
Look with AA you win the MOST pots, but Im not sure about EV, with AA you win a small pot or you lose a big one, how many times have you lost to a set, do you get action from that small pair when he doesnt hit..i thought so. Also when u hit your set, theres only one ace left on the deck...not sure youre going to get payed off.
The most profitable pocket pair is TT because you have more straights possibility, I would say most pocket pairs dominate aces with stacks deep enough( however lets not forget aces are more poritable against unpaired hands), TT is the best because you have straight possibilites and u can get away more easily from your hand.

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I've been usurped!

*wipes away a tear*

[citanul]

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Trolling is just too easy on this board :-)

Chill, I have a BS in Math.

Ok now somebody close the thread.

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i don't care what degree you have, i almost banned you when i read your first post in this thread.

don't troll this forum.

c

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However, there are frequently times when AA should be folded preflop, as it does not play well in 'multi-way pots'.

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I thought for sure you were kidding, but now that I read your later posts, i'm not so sure. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

There's no way you should be folding AA preflop unless under EXTREME, and i mean EXTREME, conditions.

This is a reply to Pushbot, i have no clue why the hell its under megabet's post.

[Newt_Buggs]

I can't tell who's joking and who's serious in this thread, and its scaring me.

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I can't tell who's joking and who's serious in this thread, and its scaring me.

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Yes. /images/graemlins/frown.gif People will make stupid posts, with information that is totally wrong, and then they will later say 'You guys are so stupid, it was a joke, idiots!'. Like that makes everything right. Citanul should ban him anyway. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

And delete that big url while he's at it.

I'm very sorry, innocent prank gone wrong.

Citanul et. al.: Won't happen again.

[Paragon]

Proud to give the only serious response to this thread!!

My most profitable hand after 1000 $55+5 Stars turbos is:

AKo with +165,873 after 423 deals
AA had +130,255 after 201 deals (least of all pairs)

[ilya]

Umm....I'm gonna have to go with AA.

[ChrisV]

Um... doesn't that mean AA is more profitable? We're interested in gain per time it's dealt not overall gain.

To put it another way, you'd prefer to be dealt AA than AKo.

[Messy_Jesse]

I stopped reading this thread right here. You are retarded. I hope to see you at my table.

P.S. How many times have you seen 5 people go all in before you at a Step 5 higher?

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[jwvdcw]

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Level 1-4/5 I seriously doubt your getting my entire stack with AA but if you have AA I just may get yours.

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You're wrong here. AA can quite often get the entire stacks of hands like AK or QQ or hands that hit top pair. Add to that the number of times that you win decent sized(but not entire stacks) pots with it, and its easily the most profitable hand.

Think about it this way...if another hand was really more profitable then you'd rather have that other hand. Would you really rather have another hand than AA?

[jwvdcw]

why is this the "post of the day"??