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Nikademus

10-27-2005, 10:52 AM

SB - 14 hands - VPIP: 35.71
BB - 18 hands - VPIP: 5.56
I think I made it pretty clear during the hand that the hand was mine. What are your reads on the two players?

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
3 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
SB bets, BB raises, MP1 folds, Hero 3-bets, Button folds, SB calls, BB caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (22 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB bets $1.5 (All-In), BB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 23.50 BB

milesdyson

10-27-2005, 10:58 AM

flushes for both, maybe a straight flush for MP4 and the nut flush for UTG19

deception5

10-27-2005, 11:00 AM

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SB - 14 hands - VPIP: 35.71
BB - 18 hands - VPIP: 5.56
I think I made it pretty clear during the hand that the hand was mine. What are your reads on the two players?

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
3 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
SB bets, BB raises, MP1 folds, Hero 3-bets, Button folds, SB calls, BB caps, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (22 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB bets $1.5 (All-In), BB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 23.50 BB

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BB: J /images/graemlins/diamond.gifT /images/graemlins/diamond.gif seems to make the most sense. Way overplayed on the turn no matter what he had.
SB: Probably a crappy pocket pair like 77.

10-27-2005, 11:02 AM

SB 44, BB DD.

crownjules

10-27-2005, 11:09 AM

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BB: J /images/graemlins/diamond.gifT /images/graemlins/diamond.gif seems to make the most sense. Way overplayed on the turn no matter what he had.
SB: Probably a crappy pocket pair like 77.

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So you think after all his betting, BB is laying down his straight to less than one bet?

BB: Something like AK /images/graemlins/diamond.gifs or JJ/TT.
SB: A9 /images/graemlins/spade.gifs

@bsolute_luck

10-27-2005, 11:10 AM

tough to really put someone on a hand only given VPIP and over such a short span of hands.

given BB's VPIP (even though he folded and we'll never know): JJ/TT. i just don't understand why he could be a on draw by wanting to iso SB's flop donkbet- 77 maybe though...

SB: i think i'm gonna have to guess A/images/graemlins/spade.gif9/images/graemlins/spade.gif or Qx/images/graemlins/diamond.gif(A/K/J)- no preflop aggression was given so i guess SB would 3-bet QQ but that's a possibility too.

Nikademus

10-27-2005, 11:11 AM

Any reason to put the BB on a diamond draw with the heavy betting? I could see the SB being on one (that's what I had him on during the hand), but not the BB.

deception5

10-27-2005, 11:12 AM

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BB: J /images/graemlins/diamond.gifT /images/graemlins/diamond.gif seems to make the most sense. Way overplayed on the turn no matter what he had.
SB: Probably a crappy pocket pair like 77.

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So you think after all his betting, BB is laying down his straight to less than one bet?

BB: Something like AK/AQ /images/graemlins/diamond.gifs
SB: A9 /images/graemlins/spade.gifs

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Ooh yeah, clearly not. Missed that the river would have made a straight. Well 2 poorly played diamonds then. I'll go with 6 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif since it still gives him a shot on the turn even though he still overplayed it.

deception5

10-27-2005, 11:14 AM

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Any reason to put the BB on a diamond draw with the heavy betting?

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Yes because any reasonable hand would not lay down for one bet on the river after capping the turn. So he must have had a strong draw to play it like that.

deception5

10-27-2005, 11:14 AM

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given BB's VPIP (even though he folded and we'll never know): JJ/TT

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It's only 18 hands.

@bsolute_luck

10-27-2005, 11:16 AM

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given BB's VPIP (even though he folded and we'll never know): JJ/TT

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It's only 18 hands.

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i was in the middle of editing my post when this was posted. check it out for explanation.

VoraciousReader

10-27-2005, 11:18 AM

I like Ax /images/graemlins/diamond.gif for BB. Possibly the 2 or 8 of /images/graemlins/diamond.gif.

SB: Two /images/graemlins/spade.gif including the 9.

Edit: I didn't think about straight draw possibilities for BB. I like 6 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif for BB too.

10-27-2005, 11:25 AM

SB has a flush draw and stacking off at the river, maybe cuz he has a pair of queens. BB has a set of 4s.

bozlax

10-27-2005, 11:55 AM

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Any reason to put the BB on a diamond draw with the heavy betting? I could see the SB being on one (that's what I had him on during the hand), but not the BB.

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Any reason this hand isn't in the NC thread? I'm not actually being snarky, here, I'm just curious if you actually expect us to come up with hand ranges based on 18- and 14-hand stat reads, or if you just want us to see the big pot you won/lost. (Ok, ok, you're right, I am being snarky.)

Nikademus

10-27-2005, 11:56 AM

Small Blind showed [Qd Qh] and won ($48) with three of a kind, Queens
The BB wouldn't say what he had.

These types of hands just kill you.

Nikademus

10-27-2005, 11:59 AM

Sorry, I'm trying to see if my logic on what these two had was screwed up. In retrospect, you are probably right.

milesdyson

10-27-2005, 11:59 AM

lol you got owned

Nikademus

10-27-2005, 12:00 PM

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lol you got owned

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Badly! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

MrWookie47

10-27-2005, 12:16 PM

Bad beat posts suck, but at least you tried to keep some strategy in here with the hand reading.

car ramrod

10-27-2005, 12:22 PM

I'm guessing SB had QQ and you got beat on teh river and this is a bad beat post in disguise.

10-27-2005, 12:34 PM

argh why did you wreck it, i was gonna say QQ.

and the other guy had 3d5d

crownjules

10-27-2005, 12:37 PM

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Sorry, I'm trying to see if my logic on what these two had was screwed up. In retrospect, you are probably right.

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It doesn't really matter what the other two had, at least on the flop and turn. You had the nuts until the river and there's no way you could have ever suspected SB to be on QQ.

deception5

10-27-2005, 12:38 PM

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These types of hands just make you tons of money in the long run.

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Koss

10-27-2005, 01:36 PM

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These types of hands just put your kids through college and buy you and your wife a retirement home in Boca Raton.

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10-27-2005, 02:14 PM

SB: straight draw with spade flush possibilities, possibly a set of 4's

BB: Diamond draw maybe JT, A3, A5 of diamonds.

J. Stew

10-27-2005, 02:36 PM

BB had A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif2 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif and SB had a raggedy two pair on the flop.

bozlax

10-27-2005, 05:05 PM

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These types of hands just put your kids through college and buy you and your wife a retirement home in Boca Raton.

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For Pete's sake, who wants to retire with their wife?! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

numeri

10-27-2005, 05:15 PM

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These types of hands just put your kids through college and buy you and your wife a retirement home in Boca Raton.

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For Pete's sake, who wants to retire with their wife?! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Why do we care what Pete thinks?

shant

10-27-2005, 05:15 PM

This hand sucks as a hand reading post because it doesn't [censored] matter what they had the action would be the same everytime and none of us care if you got rivered.

10-27-2005, 05:32 PM

This is like one of those "I couldn't laydown my overpair/Aces/Kings/Queens/whatever" posts but it worked out anyway (from villians pov).

This is a nc thread, imo.