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Luv2DriveTT
10-26-2005, 11:16 PM
Comments on all streets please. Villain is somewhat loose & laggy, this is the first HU experiance with him.

Party Poker 3.00/6.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> link (http://www.darksun.lunarpages.com/poker/)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB caps</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.00 SB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.00 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.00 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.00 BB.
kelvin474
10-26-2005, 11:23 PM
I like it TT, raising looks like it sucks because what worse hands call? AJ? Folding also appears to suck since some players would do this with AK, Ax, some even with PP&lt;7.

I dont think this is weak. Where would you like to put more money in? Or did you want to fold somewhere? I can't do either.
jason_t
10-26-2005, 11:25 PM
Perfect.
Luv2DriveTT
10-26-2005, 11:28 PM
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Perfect.

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Victor
10-26-2005, 11:42 PM
looks good. mebbe raise the flop.
hobbsmann
10-26-2005, 11:44 PM
were you planning on raising the turn if a blank fell?
nubs
10-26-2005, 11:46 PM
Do you think there is value in a river raise? You described this character as loose as well as laggy. Do you fear we will 3 bet you with a worse hand?
ArturiusX
10-26-2005, 11:49 PM
I like, maybe a river raise if he'll always call it, never fold/3-bet.
NLSoldier
10-26-2005, 11:52 PM
Why not raise flop?
ArturiusX
10-26-2005, 11:57 PM
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Why not raise flop?

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I'd prefer not to, why get 3-bet by better hands? Lets keep him bluffing.
Luv2DriveTT
10-26-2005, 11:57 PM
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Why not raise flop?

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Greater value calling against this opponent. His SB capping standards are probably very wide. I would say any Broadway, pair, or A is possible without seeing him act HU yet. The turn and river card changed my projected plans for the later streets.

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Luv2DriveTT
10-26-2005, 11:59 PM
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Do you think there is value in a river raise? You described this character as loose as well as laggy. Do you fear we will 3 bet you with a worse hand?

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Not on this board, I don't think it is safe and I'm not just talking about the J. My original plan on the flop was to consider raising the river until I saw the last two streets.

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Victor
10-27-2005, 12:26 AM
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I like, maybe a river raise if he'll always call it, never fold/3-bet.

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i prefer a flop raise far more than river.
ArturiusX
10-27-2005, 12:28 AM
I think we're trapping more money with a river raise, with less chance for him to play back at us with a better hand. If we raise a river blank, he's calling with a lot.
wonkadaddy
10-27-2005, 12:48 AM
i like the idea of calling the flop to raise a safe turn. too dangerous to wait til river on this one. either that or just raising on the flop. once the scare card hits i like the line you took.
Victor
10-27-2005, 12:49 AM
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I think we're trapping more money with a river raise, with less chance for him to play back at us with a better hand. If we raise a river blank, he's calling with a lot.

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lots of bad things can happen between the flop and river.
Entity
10-27-2005, 12:51 AM
I like a flop raise but call/call/call given turn/river isn't terrible.

Rob
ArturiusX
10-27-2005, 12:51 AM
We're either screwed on the flop, or we're safe. The only card we hate is the Ace, and he's got 3 outs to that.

So my question is, why isn't this WA/WB?
Entity
10-27-2005, 12:52 AM
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So my question is, why isn't this WA/WB?

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Because he's usually not folding a hand that is WB and we're usually fairly far ahead but not necessarily way ahead.

Rob
ArturiusX
10-27-2005, 12:58 AM
Aren't we better off punishing him in big bets rather then small ones?
dark_horse
10-27-2005, 01:04 AM
you're a pussy.
Entity
10-27-2005, 01:21 AM
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Aren't we better off punishing him in big bets rather then small ones?

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It depends on how he plays back. A lot of LAGs give so little credence to flop raises/action that you'll get more action overall by raising the flop than you would by waiting for a big street. Most LAG players will give too much flop action and still bet the turn for you, but won't give you excess turn action unless you're in sorry shape.

Rob
Lmn55d
10-27-2005, 01:32 AM
I would raise flop for value, you are significantly ahead of his sb vs. bb capping range I assume. As entity said , LAGS won't fold hands you're ahead of and will 3bet worse hands fairly frequently. This is not a standard WA/WB.
oreogod
10-27-2005, 05:51 AM
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Aren't we better off punishing him in big bets rather then small ones?

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It depends on how he plays back. A lot of LAGs give so little credence to flop raises/action that you'll get more action overall by raising the flop than you would by waiting for a big street. Most LAG players will give too much flop action and still bet the turn for you, but won't give you excess turn action unless you're in sorry shape.

Rob

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So on the flop if u get 3bet are u calling down or pushing it up a notch more?
ArturiusX
10-27-2005, 06:41 AM
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I would raise flop for value, you are significantly ahead of his sb vs. bb capping range I assume. As entity said , LAGS won't fold hands you're ahead of and will 3bet worse hands fairly frequently. This is not a standard WA/WB.

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It is kinda WA/WB, except we dont have to tread carefully because we aren't folding worse hands.
Luv2DriveTT
10-27-2005, 09:06 AM
Results:

Villain had A3o and MHWG. If I had raised the flop how do you think Villain would have reacted? How about if I raised the turn The river?

Personally I see him folding on each street, possibly with the exception of the flop.

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Lmn55d
10-27-2005, 09:50 AM
I think his capping range is so wide that I wouldn't even call it WA/WB (lots of gutshots w/ overs, etc.). Even if a situation is WA/WB, minimizing the amount of bets you put in is not necessarily the best line. It depends on the relative frequencies of being way ahead and way behind and the frequency that worse hands fold. Here worse hands aren't folding (including A3o) and you are ahead very often. People raise the flop with draws all the time which he will put you on often.
Victor
10-27-2005, 10:44 AM
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Results:

Villain had A3o and MHWG. If I had raised the flop how do you think Villain would have reacted? How about if I raised the turn The river?

Personally I see him folding on each street, possibly with the exception of the flop.

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exactly. when you raise the flop it means nothing to him and he is taking his ace high to showdown.