Questioning my play here...

[Schwartzy61]

6-max is all the rage these days but I'm still hanging out at $1/$2 full ring...

Preflop, this has been a pretty loose table and very passive. Limping with a small pocket pair in this spot has not been a problem and there were routinely 5 guys to the flop.

The Villain in this case had been realtively passive postflop. His numbers were 34.74/9.47/0.92 after 95 hands. His aggression numbers were consistent street to street. What I had seen from him to this point was betting top pair good kicker or overpair on the flop and continuing on the turn even if a draw hit. I've also seen him call to the river on many occasions with A high, on one such occasion he called down to the river with the nut flush draw and called a bet on the river when his draw was busted. He had actually lost quite a lot calling to the river with A high even on draw heavy boards. I had this hand near the end of my session...

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks.

Turn: (3 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Checked through the flop and now what amounts to a blank hits. I bet making sure someone with a flush draw now doesn't get a free card. What I am wondering is if pocket 6's are too low in this case to try this play, seeing as how I only beat A high and someone calling down with the 5? Is the pot too small to even bother?

River: (5 BB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 7 BB

River double pairs board. Just me and the guy that has no qualms calling down with A-high. I bet with the best hand? Is the pot again too small to worry about trying to maximize my value here?

I didn't have to worry about it here after he just called, but what do I do if he raises? Bet/call seemed like the best line because he hadn't bet to this point which seemed to mean no ten, but he is still rather passive postflop and generally a raise from a player like that means you're screwed.

This isn't the most interesting hand but something I am having trouble reviewing, thanks for your help guys...

[numeri]

Against the player you describe, the only thing to say is "NH sir."

[jacarney]

I think you're turn bet is fine - you may have the best hand and free cards can hurt you. Also, you're bet also looks like a 3 and you might be able to scare someone off a T.

On the river, I think you're only option is bet/fold. Given your read, he'll call with Ace high but probably won't bet it, so betting is better than check/call. And given that he's passive I think you can safely fold to a raise.

[Augster]

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I think you're turn bet is fine - you may have the best hand and free cards can hurt you. Also, you're bet also looks like a 3 and you might be able to scare someone off a T.

On the river, I think you're only option is bet/fold. Given your read, he'll call with Ace high but probably won't bet it, so betting is better than check/call. And given that he's passive I think you can safely fold to a raise.

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nh.

[bwana devil]

you say the turn is a blank. it paired the board though so dont discount someone already having a 3 and hitting trips.

Although I'd probably play it like you did, there's a couple of things that pop out. First off, open limping from MP1...Just raise and hope to take the pot down right now. I've been doing that a lot lately and it's been working for me at 1/2. It also allows you to bluff at the right flop or take the pot with a continuation bet.


Secondly, betting the turn does keep the flush draw from getting a free card, but he's getting the odds to call anyhow so you're not protecting your hand from the flush draw. Plus, if you had two other callers, the flush draw would be close to correct in making a raise for value. You are protecting your hand from people with overcards that won't stick around. But, if they have been watching you, they know that you would not play 3x most likely and your turn bet won't scare off a better hand.

*grunch*
For some ungodly reason I find myself saying this on every street.
bet/fold
bet/fold
bet/fold

[NateDog]

How tight am I for folding this PF? I hate open limping from MP.

[milesdyson]

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How tight am I for folding this PF? I hate open limping from MP.

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i raise dog, but i'd rather fold than call

edit: except that he said, "pretty loose, very passive." limping looks jizzy.

[NateDog]

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How tight am I for folding this PF? I hate open limping from MP.

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i raise dog, but i'd rather fold than call

edit: except that he said, "pretty loose, very passive." limping looks jizzy.

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I hate being iso raised with this hand. I'll spew to the damn river.

[milesdyson]

it's just not much of a worry at this table. because of the description i'd rather limp than fold, but i'd still raise because it's fun

[NateDog]

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raise because it's fun

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Preach on brother Miles. Preach on.

[detruncate]

Hi Schwartzy61.

The pf limp is fine with lots of loose/passive players behind you. You could also raise if you want, though playing smallish PPs out of position when you don't have much fold equity post flop can be a drag.

I'd consider bet/folding the flop. A PP &gt; than second pair is not bad on this ragged flop, and you'll be rescued by your set or bd straight draw sometimes when you're against a passive T or some such. Plan to reevaluate on the turn.

The rest of the hand is fine as long as you're prepared to fold to a raise on either street. Nice value bet on the river given your read.