Aces and queens against an allin, what would you do?

[Shammu]

Live tourny, $115 buyin, 115 players, 65 left. I have about 6,000 chips blinds are 150/300. I am MP with AdQd, UTG+1 limps in I raise to 750 everone folds to utg+1 who calls and checks dark, he is a very tight player. Flop is Ac Qc 3h I check behind him. He checks dark again, the turn is 8d I bet 600 he calls. The river is (Ac Qc 3h 8d) Kd, he moves allin (He has me covered ny 200 chips), what is your move?

[benneh]

looks like he hit his straight or something. either way, shoulda bet more on the turn. come on dude... 600 into 2000?

[LearnedfromTV]

Bet 1200 on flop, if he calls, bet the rest on the turn.

[Exitonly]

yea bet more on the turn, and i probably wouldnt have checked behind on the flop.

[Shammu]

Well, my turn bet was 1/3 of the pot so it's not bad, also, I did want him to call, if I wanted the pot I woulda moved allin.

[Shammu]

And have him lay it down? if you knew he was on a gut shot, wouldn't you want him to call here?

[Exitonly]

forgot to add..

i call him on that river.

[Black Aces 518]

1/3 of the pot would have been a good bet on the flop. It is not good after checking behind. You are giving too many free/cheap cards with a holding that is beatable. I don't think he has JT. If I had to guess I'd say he has AK or 88.

[scott8]

A tight player limps UTG.

Moves all-in on the river. On that board.

What's his range?

If your read is right, I don't see how you can be ahead.

[Exitonly]

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And have him lay it down? if you knew he was on a gut shot, wouldn't you want him to call here?

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Do you know he's on a gutshot?

[Shammu]

I don't know for sure, but let's see what is his range? I don't see him having AK, the reason is I know how he plays, he would not limp in with that, he could have 88, 33 or j10. I don't see him going all in with any other cards.

[Black Aces 518]

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And have him lay it down? if you knew he was on a gut shot, wouldn't you want him to call here?

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Do you know he's on a gutshot?

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Exactly. What if he is on AK? Then you lost the pot on the river, yes. But think how many other cards could come that he still trails you but may be reluctant to call a big bet from you (Q, club, maybe J or T). Then you lost the chance to bust him.

I am folding the river because there is nothing a tight player limps UTG and pushes this river that you beat. Nada.

[scott8]

So he is a tight player, but would limp utg with 33 or JT?

[Shammu]

Ok, I may have mis said that, he has a wider starting hand range than a tight player but he would not risk his chips unless he has a hand.

[Exitonly]

well then bet out a decent amount and hope has a hand and check raises you.

[phage]

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I don't see him having AK, the reason is I know how he plays, he would not limp in with that, he could have 88, 33 or j10. I don't see him going all in with any other cards.

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Even knowing how he plays, how certain are you that he doesn't have AK. Moreover JT doesn't seem like somethink he would have if he is tight.

[scott8]

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Ok, I may have mis said that, he has a wider starting hand range than a tight player but he would not risk his chips unless he has a hand.

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Then you fold. And by the way I bet this flop.

[Shammu]

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Ok, I may have mis said that, he has a wider starting hand range than a tight player but he would not risk his chips unless he has a hand.

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Then you fold. And by the way I bet this flop.

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You are right, I shoulda bet the flop but his check dark confused me so I decided to check behind.

[Shammu]

Well, I thought about it for about two minutes then I told him that I know he has the j10 and I showed him my hand and folded and he was kind enough to show his straight. Not betting the flop made me lose that hand, good lesson I guess. There can be a fine line between slowplaying and butchering a hand I guess.