Ugh - Turn decision

[ipp147]

FR $200 buy-in game online.

Very loose passive preflop and quite loose passive postflop.

3 limpers and I limp with JTT7s. Another limper or and the BB raises to 7.

Ends up being 4 (SB, BB, Hero, Button) to the flop with $35 ish in the pot. PFR has about the pot left. Others have around $150 and I cover.

Flop comes 8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 3 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 9 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

I don't have hearts.

SB Checks, BB checks, I pot. Button calls. SB Calls. BB folds.

3 to the turn - pot = $140 K /images/graemlins/spade.gif

SB Checks. I?

[chipbrave]

i'm guessing another pot bets puts anyone all in. Are these guys gonna call w/a flush draw? Do you think they would of raised w/any set? Did you pick up spade draw? If you check, are they gonna move in? If someone else bets are you gonna call? If so, then I say move in.

[Simplistic]

I check here. if you bet you will likely be called by set/flush draw. you currently have a pair of tens that is hoping to improve to a straight.

clean outs are 2 6s, 2 Qs, possibly 1 T. or 2 J.

pot is big but I check hoping for a cheap showdown. I'm not going to get my money in as a big dog.

[joewatch]

This is a tricky one. Do you think BB has KKxxs /images/graemlins/heart.gif? Then check-fold. If you think BB has AAxx /images/graemlins/heart.gif, then you pot it. Reading your opponents is THE most important skill in any form of poker.

[ipp147]

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This is a tricky one. Do you think BB has KKxxs /images/graemlins/heart.gif? Then check-fold. If you think BB has AAxx /images/graemlins/heart.gif, then you pot it. Reading your opponents is THE most important skill in any form of poker.

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Hi Joe,

A couple of things.

The BB folded the flop.

I can't see anyone on KKxx on that flop they would generally repot it at this site.

I basically figured they were both on drawing hands or 2 pair+draw type hands. They is possibly only a 40-60% chance of me getting them to fold a 2 pair hand on this turn.

[fuzzbox]

You - should have folded the flop, and you check now and give up asap.

[ipp147]

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You - should have folded the flop, and you check now and give up asap.

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Huh? I bet the flop. You think I should have checked the flop? Check called?

[fuzzbox]

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You - should have folded the flop, and you check now and give up asap.

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Huh? I bet the flop. You think I should have checked the flop? Check called?

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Check/folded.
You have no hearts, you have two TT in your hand, so you are blocking yourself somewhat. JhTh7h all make a flush, so you really have somewhat of a trouble hand here.

Why are you trying to get involved?
How much do you believe you can win? What if a 7 comes and you bet and get raised all-in ... are you happy with this outcome?

[fuzzbox]

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This is a tricky one. Do you think BB has KKxxs /images/graemlins/heart.gif? Then check-fold. If you think BB has AAxx /images/graemlins/heart.gif, then you pot it. Reading your opponents is THE most important skill in any form of poker.

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How in gods name are you supposed to ascertain whether a guy has AAxx or KKxx with hearts, from an online game where you have bet pot and been called?

What if his A/images/graemlins/heart.gifA/images/graemlins/spade.gifJ/images/graemlins/heart.gifT/images/graemlins/spade.gif is the hand? How do you like your hand now?

[flawless_victory]

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This is a tricky one. Do you think BB has KKxxs /images/graemlins/heart.gif? Then check-fold. If you think BB has AAxx /images/graemlins/heart.gif, then you pot it. Reading your opponents is THE most important skill in any form of poker.

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How in gods name are you supposed to ascertain whether a guy has AAxx or KKxx with hearts, from an online game where you have bet pot and been called?

What if his A/images/graemlins/heart.gifA/images/graemlins/spade.gifJ/images/graemlins/heart.gifT/images/graemlins/spade.gif is the hand? How do you like your hand now?

[/ QUOTE ]if he had this, i will cut off one of fingers.

[flawless_victory]

PF, flop fine... turn check it and hope for the freebie.. if someone bets pot, let it go.

I check this flop and call only if the pot odds are right, and it seems like a no brainer to me...