$430 hand #2

[bones]

Button is loose player from the previous hand, MP1 is a $430 regular.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t1680)
MP3 (t950)
CO (t1060)
Button (t1263)
Hero (t770)
BB (t930)
UTG (t1300)
UTG+1 (t802)
MP1 (t1245)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t60</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls t60, Hero calls t45, BB calls t30.

Flop: (t240) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t240) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t175</font>, Button calls t175, Hero raises [t725] , BB folds, MP1 folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: t590

[bluefeet]

Yeah, I'm 12 tabling the 430's now, let me take a crack /images/graemlins/wink.gif

This turn card - no brainer IMO. Absolutely perfect card (OPFr is not checking behind on a FD+SD flop w/ an overpair)

Can I assume...

- you were looking to c/r the flop as well? Obviously a better than expected flop. Enough here to c-r, or were you in c-c/f mode?

- you were c/f'ing an overcard on the turn, facing a similar lead? Or were you planning to c/r regardless of this turn, thinking you could sell a made flop hand that failed on the c/r attempt?

[graydot]

What makes you certain Button(loose player) didnt limp with a8s, 89 87 k8s, e.t.c

[Newt_Buggs]

I would fold pf, but I suppose that calling isn't bad.

On the turn I would lead out to keep from giving another free card.

[bones]

[ QUOTE ]
What makes you certain Button(loose player) didnt limp with a8s, 89 87 k8s, e.t.c

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Loose, but not out of line. The type of loose that would probably bet middle pair on the button when checked to.

And yes, I was looking to c-raise the flop. I usually fold this, but there were a few compelling reasons to call pf.

[MikeyObviously]

I'd be tempted to make that play no matter what my two cards were, as long as I feel I can put enough pressure on the button to fold a draw. If MP1 is any kind of player, you can reason that there is no way he matched that flop. Even if he had 99, he would know better than to give a free card most likely. So the strongest hand he could have is a high pocket pair (which is also unlikely, for the same reason as 99 is unlikely), which is extremely scary and extremely fold-able with that flop and betting action to him.