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HoldEmKillah

10-26-2005, 01:41 PM

I'm starting to experiment with overbets as I've NEVER used them before.

Villian is a donkey. 1 prior hand: I raised from the button with 78, he reraised from the SB w/AQ. He bet 1/2 pot on and A-high flop and I called with a gutshot (delay bluff if you will) and hit the straight on the turn. I bet the turn and potted the river when the board paired aces where he c/r'd minimum which I called.

So all in all I know he loves top pair type hands and was even willing to c/r with AAA Q kicker when I showed massive strength already.

*btw, I know the turn check is horrible*

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP ($8614.31)
CO ($689)
Button ($985)
Hero ($4131.75)
BB ($900)
UTG ($1108.45)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
4 folds, Hero raises to $40, BB calls $30.

Flop: ($80) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $65, BB raises to $130, Hero calls $65.

Turn: ($340) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: ($340) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $3961.75 (All-In)

It's $700+ to him.

AZK

10-26-2005, 01:46 PM

hate it

Finite_Risk

10-26-2005, 01:49 PM

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hate it

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HoldEmKillah

10-26-2005, 01:54 PM

Why? Villian is a total donkey. I think I can get called by an ace.

AZK

10-26-2005, 02:03 PM

he's that bad?

mgsimpleton

10-26-2005, 02:04 PM

ok if he's that bad fine but fwiw this play is better if the T isn't a heart. but in general yeah it's not so good. but if this thread is about him being a totla donkey fine just throw money in the pot whenever and you win.

psuasskicker

10-26-2005, 02:04 PM

Why? Villian is a total donkey. I think I can get called by an ace.

Then you should have bet the turn. Is he a guy that's gonna check an Ace through on the turn? Doesn't sound like it...

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HoldEmKillah

10-26-2005, 02:09 PM

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he's that bad?

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Here was the other hand I mentioned almost exactly:

Hero: 78off on button
Villian: AQo in SB

I raise to $40, Villian raises to $100, I call

Flop ($200) A 10 6r Villian bets $125, Hero calls

Turn ($400) 9o Villian checks, Hero bets $200, villian calls

River ($800) Ao Villian checks, Hero bets $600, Villian raises to $1200, hero calls.

There was another hand that was similar to this in terms on donkeyness so yeah I think he's that bad.

9cao

10-26-2005, 02:16 PM

This looks pretty crappy. Also sounds like you like chasing gutshots, and for this one in particular you may only have had 3 outs.

I guess if you are 100% sure he wouldn't check the turn with 2-pair, trips, flush and would check an ace you could justify it. But as you decribed him why not just make a weak-lead on the river and let him call with his jack, or raise you with his ace?

Against anyone with half a brain this hand is very bad but I hope it worked our for you against this guy.

10-26-2005, 02:26 PM

i think i need to start moving up limits. NL1000 you say?

BobboFitos

10-26-2005, 02:44 PM

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he's that bad?

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Here was the other hand I mentioned almost exactly:

Hero: 78off on button
Villian: AQo in SB

I raise to $40, Villian raises to $100, I call

Flop ($200) A 10 6r Villian bets $125, Hero calls

Turn ($400) 9o Villian checks, Hero bets $200, villian calls

River ($800) Ao Villian checks, Hero bets $600, Villian raises to $1200, hero calls.

There was another hand that was similar to this in terms on donkeyness so yeah I think he's that bad.

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Hmm. Nice preflop + flop play

kagame

10-26-2005, 03:48 PM

FOLD PRE AND FLOP

LEAD THE GDAMN TURN!

RIVER, HOW CAN YOU BE CALLED BY A WORSE HAND?!?!

vanHelsing

10-26-2005, 03:57 PM

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FOLD PRE ...

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Are you serious?

Finite_Risk

10-26-2005, 04:20 PM

Well, as I said, I don't like it...but here's the problem:

Hero pots the river to 340....villian pushes, which would be about 400 more so pot now = 1400 with 3+ /1 odds

Does the donkey have just an ace that many times to offset AJ, A3 or the flush here??

psuasskicker

10-26-2005, 05:07 PM

Here was the other hand I mentioned almost exactly:

This is gonna sound really mean and rude, but how exactly does your PF and flop play not make you just as big a donk as you're claiming he is?

On your original post hand, you need to catch that ten and then get paid probably nothing less than $400 to make it correct to call his flop raise. Sometimes less cause he'll give you the river free or a K/Q might be an out. Sometimes more cause you'll chop or he'll finish ahead or you'll pick up enough of something on the turn to call another of his bets. Probably averages out to right around $400.

He's got $730 in his stack left. You think you're gonna get $400 of that by checking the turn and moving in on the river? He'll call you 55% of the time after checking that turn through?

I think your PF and flop play in both hands were terrible, and I think your turn and river play in the original posted was terrible.

For whatever that's worth...

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Wu36

10-26-2005, 06:48 PM

I was button in this hand and didn't have a read on villain yet. Needless to say, it was a pretty interesting thing to watch. I thought you were tilting a bit after this and the other KQo hand.

10-26-2005, 07:34 PM

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kagame

10-26-2005, 07:46 PM

oops thought he called, and yes im serious about not cold calling with KQ

HoldEmKillah

10-26-2005, 08:45 PM

OK OK enough's enough /images/graemlins/crazy.gif. He called with A 8 and mhig.