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Vee Quiva
10-26-2005, 12:20 PM
$30 Sit at Party Blinds 25-50
BB is loose passive
Here are stack sizes
sb 355
BB 2090
utg+1 3425
utg+2 550
mp1 440
mp2 335
Hero 730

Hero is dealt K /images/graemlins/spade.gif 8 /images/graemlins/club.gif

It's folded to me and I raise to 150. sb folds and BB calls.

Flop is 9 /images/graemlins/club.gif 5 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

It's checked to me. I bet 150. Should I give up on steal or with that flop is it ok for the continuation bet? Or should I overbet and push?

BB calls the 150.

Turn is 8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

BB checks to me. What's your move?
splashpot
10-26-2005, 12:23 PM
I wouldn't try to steal with K8o.
tigerite
10-26-2005, 12:25 PM
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I wouldn't try to steal with K8o when the BB has t2000 at 25/50 blinds.

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However, I would in some cases here, just not with that guy in the blind
splashpot
10-26-2005, 12:26 PM
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I wouldn't try to steal with K8o when the BB has t2000 at 25/50 blinds.

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However, I would in some cases here, just not with that guy in the blind

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Clearly. That is what I meant, I just didn't feel like typing it.
Nicholasp27
10-26-2005, 12:27 PM
bb has WAY too many chips for u to be stealing with k8o here

fold pf

once u didn't check flop

once u didn't, push turn...pot is now 625 and u only have 430 left...u got a piece of the flop with good kicker and u have a gutshot straight draw...he likely has 2 dimes, a 5 or a 7 or 2 overs

but u've committed urself so push the turn with some FE

stealing against big stack = -ev
Vee Quiva
10-26-2005, 12:33 PM
With the 2 large stacks and the rest pretty small. Is there anything to be said for stealing against the bigs since they will try and fold into the money?
zambonidrivr
10-26-2005, 12:48 PM
fold preflop. if you want to steal, SHOVE
tigerite
10-26-2005, 01:52 PM
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With the 2 large stacks and the rest pretty small. Is there anything to be said for stealing against the bigs since they will try and fold into the money?

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Big stacks trying to fold into the money? At level 3? With this many players?

You're 'aving a larf.
10-26-2005, 03:21 PM
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fold preflop. if you want to steal, SHOVE

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While I usually shove when I am stealing, I try to mix it up with a smaller raise - to have them thinking I have a huge hand and want aciton.
zambonidrivr
10-26-2005, 03:23 PM
well it didn't work out and you lost your chance at the $150 (if this was a 33).

NH
10-26-2005, 07:00 PM
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well it didn't work out and you lost your chance at the $150 (if this was a 33).

NH

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I was not saying this situation would be the correct place for a smaller raise, but just something to think about.
Nick M
10-26-2005, 07:02 PM
my move is fold preflop...
10-26-2005, 07:22 PM
his question isn't whether he wants to steal, its what he should do on the turn. Is he loose pre-flop? Is he loose post-flop? I mean you have to know something w/ 20 hands in. Was he a caller or a bettor? did he chase w/ middle pair etc... or did he only bet and showdown monsters. I'm not sure what kinda bet makes him fold but 150 isn't too bad. You just caught 2nd pair and are pot committed, just push imo.