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Jeffage
10-26-2005, 09:37 AM
Talk about animal rights activism run amok! Plus this stuff is GOOD. Just think it's ridiculous that citizens can't decide what to eat themselves, they have to be told what is appropriate.

Jeff

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-0510260246oct26,1,3066357,print.story?coll=chi-news-hed

Panel doesn't have stomach for foie gras
Health Committee OKs ban; measure goes to City Council
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By Gary Washburn
Tribune staff reporter

October 26, 2005

After hearing a Hollywood actress compare the production of a delicacy made from the livers of geese and ducks to abuses at a notorious Iraqi prison, a City Council committee on Tuesday advanced a measure that would make Chicago a foie gras-free zone.

Only three farms in the U.S. produce foie gras, none of them in Illinois. And Ald. Joe Moore (49th), sponsor of the measure to ban its sale, acknowledged that "no more than a dozen or so" restaurants here probably have it on their menus.

But "laws are reflections of our values and morals," he asserted.

Moore hailed preliminary approval of the prohibition by the council's Health Committee, saying it will result in "fewer ducks and geese being tortured to create this product." And he said a ban here would "send a clear message" to other cities and states that may decide to consider similar measures.

The committee heard a New York veterinarian and activist describe how feeding pipes are "jammed down the esophaguses" of terrified birds that are force-fed three times a day to make their livers 10 times normal size to produce foie gras.

And committee members viewed a graphic video of bloodied birds that had undergone the process.

"If I sound a little out of breath, I am always overwhelmed listening to stories of abuse and torture," said actress and animal-rights advocate Loretta Swit, who testified in support of the ban.

The former star of the "M*A*S*H" television series contended that there are ties between what happened at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison, where inmates were abused by U.S. soldiers, and what happens to ducks and geese whose livers are harvested for foie gras.

"Violence begets violence," she said. "Brutality begets brutality."

But Didier Durand, chef and owner at Cyrano's Bistrot, 546 N. Wells St., insisted that "there is no torture" in the production of the delicacy. And he told the skeptical aldermen that it is healthy to eat. Durand attributed low cholesterol levels and a low incidence of heart attacks in his native region of France to consumption of foie gras, which he said he sells to about 30 customers a week.

Cyrano's charges $15 for three-ounce servings.

Carrie Nahabedian, owner of Naha, 500 N. Clark St., predicted that a Chicago ban simply would push foie gras lovers to suburban restaurants.

Marcus Henley of Hudson Valley Foie Gras & Duck Products, gave committee members packets with what he said was scientific evidence that birds are not abused in foie gras production, and he invited an inspection.

But the aldermen were unmoved, and the ban proposal now goes to the full council for a vote next week.

miajag81
10-26-2005, 09:39 AM
Retarded. By this logic Nike shoes should be illegal because some of their workers are mistreated.

I have no interest in ever eating foie gras, but if veal is ever banned where I live I'm going to suicide-bomb PETA.

10-26-2005, 09:40 AM
I'm all for eating and torturing animals all you want but that's pretty gross on all levels.

sfer
10-26-2005, 09:46 AM
Too bad for Chicago. I saw the geese get "force fed" on Anthony Bourdain's old show and it didn't look like force feeding to me.

IndieMatty
10-26-2005, 09:49 AM
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Retarded. By this logic Nike shoes should be illegal because some of their workers are mistreated.

I have no interest in ever eating foie gras, but if veal is ever banned where I live I'm going to suicide-bomb PETA.

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I feel so bad, but veal is so [censored] tasty.

B Dids
10-26-2005, 09:51 AM
I actually don't eat veal for similar reasons. I know that it isn't logically or ethically consistant with my other eating habits, but whatever.

I haven't ever been faced with Fois Gras, but I imagine I wouldn't eat it as well.

xadrez
10-26-2005, 09:53 AM
Once the geese get really fat, and no longer want to eat, then they start force feeding. Stuffing food down their gullets, etc. Its pretty bad.

That being said I dont believe Foie Gras shouldnt be illegal.

CrazyEyez
10-26-2005, 09:53 AM
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Marcus Henley of Hudson Valley Foie Gras & Duck Products, gave committee members packets with what he said was scientific evidence that birds are not abused in foie gras production, and he invited an inspection.

But the aldermen were unmoved, and the ban proposal now goes to the full council for a vote next week.


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Glad they went into it impartially and willing to look at all the facts rather than just taking some actor's word for it.

CrazyEyez
10-26-2005, 09:54 AM
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That being said I dont believe Foie Gras shouldnt be illegal.

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You're trying to trick us, aren't you?

mslif
10-26-2005, 09:55 AM
This stupid actress sounds like another Brigitte Bardot. Great /images/graemlins/frown.gif

I have visited farms where geese are grown, I have never witnessed such a thing.
I think this is pretty pathetic.

Ulysses
10-26-2005, 12:59 PM
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I actually don't eat veal for similar reasons. I know that it isn't logically or ethically consistant with my other eating habits, but whatever.

I haven't ever been faced with Fois Gras, but I imagine I wouldn't eat it as well.

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Dibs. Someday I will treat you to some veal and foie gras. They are so good you will rationalize reasons to eat them.

Aloysius
10-26-2005, 01:05 PM
California passed a law last year to ban Foie Gras, but there are all sorts of loop holes (definition of humane) and there's like an 8-year grace period.

California Passes Legislation Banning Foie Gras (http://www.hsus.org/farm_animals/farm_animals_news/california_decides_to_permanently_pull_foie_gras_o ff_the_menu.html)

So hopefully similar results in Chicago, cause, Foie Gras, man, that's some tasty s***.

ChicagoTroy
10-26-2005, 01:07 PM
I think it's unlikely the city council will approve this. Chicago politics are not PETA-friendly.

Even if it does, lots of the best fine dining in the area is in the 'burbs, so much of the really good fois gras spots won't be affected.

OTOH, Kendall College is located in the city limits now, so I don't know what the hell they'll do if it actually passes.

FWIW, They've tested ducks up and down to see if the feeding causes extra stress, and it doesn't. Because they're ducks.

slickpoppa
10-26-2005, 01:10 PM
I have never really thought about this before, but look at the second video on this page and come to your own conclusions:

http://www.gourmetcruelty.com/videos.php

Rduke55
10-26-2005, 01:11 PM
Ignorant savages. It's delicious.

slickpoppa
10-26-2005, 01:14 PM
Here's another one: http://www.nofoiegras.org/discover-foie-gras.wmv

BottlesOf
10-26-2005, 01:20 PM
I'm not a big foie gras fan, but this seems to be lunacy.

colgin
10-26-2005, 04:11 PM
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FWIW, They've tested ducks up and down to see if the feeding causes extra stress, and it doesn't. Because they're ducks.

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It does, in fact, cause additional stress and injury. I will PM you information when I have a chance.

daryn
10-26-2005, 04:20 PM
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I have never really thought about this before, but look at the second video on this page and come to your own conclusions:

http://www.gourmetcruelty.com/videos.php

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wow, i want to kill that motherf*cker

RunDownHouse
10-26-2005, 04:45 PM
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But "laws are reflections of our values and morals," he asserted.

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Which is why we should ban same-sex sexual acts, marriages, pornography, and so on. Right?

Blarg
10-26-2005, 04:53 PM
I'm all for it. Good for them.

J.A.Sucker
10-26-2005, 04:56 PM
Not a foie gras fan, but love veal. This type of food banning isn't unheard of. I don't think we can eat horse in the US, and it's consumed in France; dogs have similar laws here vs. Asia. What's the difference?

Cancuk
10-26-2005, 05:02 PM
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I have visited farms where geese are grown, I have never witnessed such a thing.
I think this is pretty pathetic.

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What are you trying to say here? Don't get me wrong, I love foi gras, but because you have visited geese farms and have never seen such a thing, are saying that this is a lie?

mslif
10-26-2005, 05:07 PM
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I have visited farms where geese are grown, I have never witnessed such a thing.
I think this is pretty pathetic.

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What are you trying to say here? Don't get me wrong, I love foi gras, but because you have visited geese farms and have never seen such a thing, are saying that this is a lie?

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I am not saying this is a lie. I am sure some producers of foie gras use this method to feed the geese. I am just saying that you cannot condemn an entire industry based on one video.
Those videos are made to shock the public. The same technique is used by pro-life activists with their pictures of dead 8-months old fetuses.

lapoker17
10-26-2005, 05:14 PM
Government is bad.

Local government in Chicago is the worst.