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TripleH68

10-26-2005, 01:56 AM

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 flop aggressor in this hand is 43/2/1.
Decent postflop and chatting about strategy alot.

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif. MP3 posts a blind of $3. CO posts a blind of $2.
3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, MP3 (poster) calls, CO (poster) calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB folds, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
MP1 bets, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

I'll let you comment.

milesdyson

10-26-2005, 02:09 AM

i wouldn't coldcall preflop. make it JTs and i would (edit - i misread. thought you gave the preflop raiser's stats. i think your call is okay).

i also wish i didn't see you get check raised on the flop. it's a weird spot with such a hand. the checks by BB and MP1 don't mean much, and MP2's check is weird. when MP3 and CO check i think it's basically like the hand is now 4 handed and the guy before you, who raised preflop, has checked. so, i think i agree with the bet (odd that MP3 and CO are the ones to coldcall two on this flop).

on the turn you have to call.

istewart

10-26-2005, 02:16 AM

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i wouldn't coldcall preflop. make it JTs and i would.

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I think it's a good opportunity to play.

milesdyson

10-26-2005, 02:19 AM

i thought the preflop raiser was the 43/2 guy. i was mistaken, and i agree that this is an okay call to make.

cold_cash

10-26-2005, 02:22 AM

So far so good.

I'm sure there will be a huge debate about the pre-flop play. I really don't know what to say to that, other than I would likely cold-call OTB just like you did.

Once you're checked to on the flop betting is pretty much mandatory.

On the turn we're getting 13:1 w/ a ~5 outer and closing the action. Seems like a good time to call and river an African Ten.

*Edited

istewart

10-26-2005, 02:24 AM

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Seems like a good time to call and river a black Ten.

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Racist.

TripleH68

10-26-2005, 02:31 AM

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 flop aggressor in this hand is 43/2/1.
Decent postflop and chatting about strategy alot.

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif. MP3 posts a blind of $3. CO posts a blind of $2.
3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, MP3 (poster) calls, CO (poster) calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB folds, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
MP1 bets, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

River is T /images/graemlins/heart.gif. MP1 bets, MP3 calls, CO calls, hero calls?

Frankly I was shocked the Tr hit on the river and was brain dead on whether this was a raise.
Q9 and AQ seem very unlikely here unless they were /images/graemlins/diamond.gifs.

Edit to add that I am not a racist.

milesdyson

10-26-2005, 02:33 AM

did you really just call? please say no.

this is a must raise. you have the best hand close to 100% of the time (my guess is 96% - rofl), and you have two players between yourself and the bettor. not raising is a huge mistake. . . . . . .

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TripleH68

10-26-2005, 02:36 AM

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did you really just call? please say no.

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I wish I could say no, but I would be lying.
I took the whole pot also, minus the bet or two I left on the table. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

WordWhiz

10-26-2005, 02:38 AM

Raise that river! MP1 isn't betting this whole way with a gutshot (even w/ 2 diamonds), and unless you think a guy who cold called pf w/ only one other guy in the pot is smart enough to go for overcalls on this river, you've got it. Raise and take down 3 more bets.

cold_cash

10-26-2005, 02:40 AM

Pooch-screwer.

milesdyson

10-26-2005, 02:42 AM

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did you really just call? please say no.

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I wish I could say no, but I would be lying.

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makes me sad /images/graemlins/frown.gif

10-26-2005, 03:05 AM

Yeah, I don't see how you can't raise that river. Unless you can read minds/cards to see that you are beat which is practically never.

ArturiusX

10-26-2005, 03:08 AM

So much dead money on the river, and you called?

I like the hand upto that point.

10-26-2005, 03:26 AM

*grunch*
I think the bet on the flop is the smart play. I'd be hoping lots that MP1 raises the rest of the field out.
TURN.
Your 9 outs are definitely dirty. The 8:diamonds: is dirty.
You make your str8 and Q9, AQ beat you.
13:1 I don't know is enough.
(I had a hand very similar just the other day)

bottom line: Turn call is borderline, probably -EV, as you can't go to war when you make your hand.

TomBrooks

10-26-2005, 04:48 AM

nh so far. (up to turn)

It will take you an hour to make up the profit you passed up by not raising the river.