AJ late in tourney, some input please

Been reading the board for awhile thought you guys might have some thoughts on this hand. This took place in Stars 22$ with 20 or so left.

Raiser was pretty active, raised UTG with K T and called my all in with AK on that hand not getting great odds.

I try to follow the gap concept in these situations but lowered my standards because of what he was showing down

PokerStars Game #2895223234: Tournament #14115991, Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV
(1500/3000) - 2005/10/26 - 00:16:25 (ET)
Table '14115991 66' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: King Acehole (92909 in chips)
Seat 2: BCSmut33 (3867 in chips)
Seat 3: redsoxmike (34832 in chips)
Seat 4: DeadDrawin (29730 in chips)
Seat 5: elephant596 (91603 in chips)
Seat 7: AnnaBella04 (31098 in chips)
Seat 8: cheesebob446 (39250 in chips)
Seat 9: Rad13 (42806 in chips)
King Acehole: posts the ante 150
BCSmut33: posts the ante 150
redsoxmike: posts the ante 150
DeadDrawin: posts the ante 150
elephant596: posts the ante 150
AnnaBella04: posts the ante 150
cheesebob446: posts the ante 150
Rad13: posts the ante 150
King Acehole: posts small blind 1500
BCSmut33: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cheesebob446 [Jc Ah]
redsoxmike: folds
DeadDrawin: raises 5000 to 8000
elephant596: folds
AnnaBella04: folds
cheesebob446: calls 8000
Rad13: folds
King Acehole: folds
BCSmut33: calls 717 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Jh 5d 4s]
DeadDrawin: checks
cheesebob446: bets 21000
DeadDrawin: raises 580 to 21580 and is all-in
cheesebob446: calls 580
*** TURN *** [Jh 5d 4s] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [Jh 5d 4s 6c] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DeadDrawin: shows [Kc Ks] (a pair of Kings)
cheesebob446: shows [Jc Ah] (a pair of Jacks)
DeadDrawin collected 51726 from side pot
BCSmut33: shows [Kd Ts] (high card King)
DeadDrawin collected 13851 from main pot

[Melchiades]

If you think he is raising crap, push preflop. Don't like calling off 20% of you stack hoping to connect with the flop. Or are you pushing any flop here?

[CardSharpCook]

As a first post, I rate this a "C". Poster starts out well with a thank you to the boards and then posits an interesting question: How do you play against LAP? Loose maniac who turns into a calling station in many situations. I am intrigued. This has all the makings of an "A" first post. Then poster proceeds to give us ALL the hands involved and not stop the action at any critical point (what he should do is stop at "dead checks". This breach of hand posting etiquete is unforunate and has definately brought our poster down to a "B". Then, on closer inspection, this appears to be a bad beat post. "This idiot who has been calling AIs with KTo, just got KK, and I have to pay him off." Not very pleasing. Still, for the promise this young poster shows and for the ambiguity of the bad beat question (though is it really all that ambigious?) I'll give a "C" instead of an outright failure or even a "D".

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Hahaah, not meant as a bad beat post at all,sorry if it came off like that. Was just wondering what other people would do in this situation with the read I had on the raiser.

I think Card sharp is right, not so much about the bad beat post, but there really is little point in including the outcome of a hand at the end. You will get less replies because there is no suspense and the standard of the replies will be lower because people will naturally give results orientated advice (its very hard not to).

Anyway, I don't have a problem with what you did at all. You have enough chips to call this and fold if you miss (AJ really isn't a great hand) but push if you connect, esp with a jack. Its unfortunate you ran into a big pair but don't worry about that, get your money in with TPTK this late in a tournament and you'll be on the right side of the ledger enough times.
(or am I showing fish like tendancies?)

[CardSharpCook]

ok, you've hit the flop pretty hard, but you are up against a guy who may:

A) bet the turn if you check
B) be induced to call a flop bet.
C) be induced to raise a flop bet.

Instead, you have chosen to put the villian all-in (as a matter of etiquette, you should have bet 21580, not 21000 so that he had to raise you to get all the money in). This gets him to fold any hand he might bluff with/draw with. This is bad. In this situation, I bet out 8K. I really don't care what he does, because by the turn, all the money will either be in the pot or in my stack. This bet is low enough that he might call off 40% of his stack to try to hit a K/Q, but high enough to be incorrect for him to do so. The bet is also low enough that he might actually believe that he can go All-in to get you to fold. Of course, against this opponent we are never folding a hand so strong, and usually holding on to hands much weaker than this. You WILL put the remainder of his stack in on the turn.

CSC