$55- tough trips situation

[J-Lo]

Is there a better line? Should i fold on flop? Is this an EASY fold? No real reads... the play is so strange.

***** Hand History for Game 2931791907 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:16880326 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Tuesday, October 25, 22:10:59 EDT 2005
Table Table 68396 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: WHITEBRED ( $855 )
Seat 2: TrumpWSOP ( $1065 )
Seat 3: FRANKWHITEE ( $790 )
Seat 4: stormsptr ( $975 )
Seat 5: thesitck ( $785 )
Seat 6: CRUSSH ( $1045 )
Seat 7: chnkylover57 ( $970 )
Seat 8: WizeGuyRob ( $1025 )
Seat 9: tpusha479 ( $1350 )
Seat 10: samsam999 ( $1140 )
Trny:16880326 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to chnkylover57 [ 8h Js ]
WizeGuyRob folds.
tpusha479 folds.
samsam999 folds.
WHITEBRED calls [30].
TrumpWSOP folds.
FRANKWHITEE folds.
stormsptr calls [30].
thesitck calls [30].
CRUSSH calls [15].
chnkylover57 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jh, Qh, Jc ]
CRUSSH checks.
chnkylover57 bets [100].
WHITEBRED raises [200].
stormsptr folds.
thesitck folds.
CRUSSH folds.
chnkylover57 calls [100].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
chnkylover57 checks.
WHITEBRED is all-In [625]
chnkylover57 folds.
WHITEBRED does not show cards.
WHITEBRED wins 1175 chips

[microbet]

I call.

[johnnybeef]

Not a terrible fold by any means, but i like 3 bet pushing the flop.

[microbet]

I agree with both parts. I still call, but don't think the fold is terrible, and I'd rather 3-bet push the flop.

[KingDan]

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I call.

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[Double Down]

The problem with 3 bet pushing the flop is that your opponent will only call with hands that beat you but not call you with a queen. The only hands better than you that fold are MAYBE j9 and j10.

[pergesu]

A very bad player is going to push because he's excited he has trips. A solid player will push with a draw or a Q, figuring he can get you to fold a similar hand. A very solid player will push trips to charge you if you're drawing.

So it's entirely dependant on what you think of him, and what he thinks of you.

In general I call. It's far more likely he's got a hand that he'd prefer not to see a showdown with than it is he's got the case jack or a boat.

[microbet]

Lots of times Q will call. People love to think you are bluffing. If he has a Jack most likely we're both getting our money in there. If he could have a very good draw here. Let him either overpay for it or fold and I'll just take the pot.

I don't think OPs line is too bad though, especially if he calls.

[J-Lo]

wow, so many calls... what do u put oponent on? what cards would he play isn this manner? Does the min raise not scare anyone? I AM TERRIFIED OF MINRAISES!

Is it too weak of me to fold on turn after giving away initiative?

[Double Down]

Actually, after reevaluating, the minraise could be interpreted as just a high queen that is trying to get the drawing hands out, but he doesn't want to get too involved in case you have the jack. He wants to see what you'll do.

[Melchiades]

At my level this is almost always a Q, so I call. But don't know what it means in a 55. I like a call though.

[johnnybeef]

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The problem with 3 bet pushing the flop is that your opponent will only call with hands that beat you but not call you with a queen. The only hands better than you that fold are MAYBE j9 and j10.

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this is just weak tight jibberish.

[pergesu]

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The problem with 3 bet pushing the flop is that your opponent will only call with hands that beat you but not call you with a queen. The only hands better than you that fold are MAYBE j9 and j10.

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this is just weak tight jibberish.

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No, it's smart. Three-betting the flop is going to make him fold a lot of hands that you want calling, so you miss out on lots of value, such as those times he interprets your call as weakness and pushes the turn.

[johnnybeef]

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The problem with 3 bet pushing the flop is that your opponent will only call with hands that beat you but not call you with a queen. The only hands better than you that fold are MAYBE j9 and j10.

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this is just weak tight jibberish.

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No, it's smart. Three-betting the flop is going to make him fold a lot of hands that you want calling, so you miss out on lots of value, such as those times he interprets your call as weakness and pushes the turn.

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pushing will get you much more value. a raise to t500 SCREAMS of strength.

[microbet]

Both pushing the flop and checking to induce the bluff will sometimes do good things and sometimes do bad things. It's not something you can really reason out. If you know the guy likes to bluff or you know he like to play sheriff, it would help, but we rarely know these things. I wish I knew which line were more profitable. As it is, I usually protect my hand, but mix it up a bit and don't really have any spectacular reasons for which I choose.

[pergesu]

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a raise to t500 SCREAMS of strength.

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Which is why I just call, and then check the turn to him.

[MegaBet]

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Is it too weak of me to fold on turn after giving away initiative?

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Yes.

[bigt439]

This thread is weird. How you would ever fold here is beyond me. He has played the hand so fast for someone with trips, and I don't see this that often at Party. There are so many draws. Wow, there are just so many hands he could have, how can you fold?

3-betting is meh, but I like calling the raise and c/r'ing the turn all-in.

[tigerite]

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I call.

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[Scuba Chuck]

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wow, so many calls... what do u put oponent on? what cards would he play isn this manner? Does the min raise not scare anyone? I AM TERRIFIED OF MINRAISES!

Is it too weak of me to fold on turn after giving away initiative?

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Considering the way you played this hand, wouldn't AQ/KQ play this hand the same way, pushing on the turn because they fear you're on the flush draw?

Here's the point, villain generally pushes here because he's trying to protect his hand. YOU HAVE THE MONSTER. Our villain's hand certainly is not QJ (full house) because he would want his opponent to draw to the flush, and hopefully pay him off. I certainly think this hand is AQ the way you played it.

[tigerite]

There's no way he has a jack or a boat here, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see something like AA, people just love to limp it and then play it like it's still the nuts on flops like this.

Hell I see it with QQ, which then goes broke on a dry flop to the BB's spiked two pair etc.

I would call, and feel good about it, if I get it wrong, oh well. Usually you'll be well ahead here, trust me.