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NickPoker
10-25-2005, 10:18 PM
Capped buy in Live game - Cap is $200.
Stacks of interest
BB = $120
Hero = $200
Button = $350


Let me set the stage. I missed my blinds, so I post missed blinds in from the c/o in a 10 player game. The button who is one of the best players in the room gets dealt a hand, but momentarily left the table. It is folded to me I check with my 67o. The button is somewhat rushing back to his seat limps blind, basically not wanting to hold the game up. Blinds both call. The solid button player doesn't realize that I posted, he thinks I limped.

Flop 7710r
SB checks, BB leads out $20, I call flat call, button calls, SB folds. I am pretty sure the BB has a 10 from his body language and I don't think he leads out with a 7. Button's range at this point are any 7, overpair, A10 outside chance of a draw but I doubt it. At least 50% chance he has a 7.
Turn is an A.
BB goes all in for $100, at this point I am pretty confident that he has A10, but I am worried about the button. If I call or push he will lay down over pair or draw, and most likely a weak 7. If I push he may lay down J7, Q7, and maybe even K7, as this player respects my play and knows that I have hand. The other option is obviously to fold.

What do you do?
Fold, Call or Push?

mayesie
10-25-2005, 10:27 PM
I would push the turn. I don't understand how it's at least 50% likely he has the last 7 in the deck. It's much more likely that the villain has a pocket pair or a 10.

In my opinion, this isn't a tough decision. Is it possible you're seeing monsters (no offense intended)?

PokerFink
10-25-2005, 10:42 PM
I don't see how you have any option but pushing here, especially with 40BB.

NickPoker
10-25-2005, 10:47 PM
This player is tight, when he flat calls there is a good chance he has a 7, I have played hundreds of hands against him, he is a solid player. He and I never clash unless we both strong hands. You may be right though 50% may be a high estimate.

boondockst
10-25-2005, 11:22 PM
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He might fold J7, Q7 and K7

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If they're in there with these hands, and no straight or flush is possible, there's NO WAY they're laying them down with a 40BB stack

NickPoker
10-25-2005, 11:42 PM
this player might

Edit: We know each other well, I can assure you he is worried about A7, if I push after an all in, he knows I have a 7. He also knows that I probably put him on a 7, so the call is not as automatic you might think with those hands. Against an unknown I would agree with you.

j0wlev
10-26-2005, 12:01 AM
Why are you playing 2/5 with a 200 max?

NickPoker
10-26-2005, 12:21 AM
Because it is a soft game and it is the only NL game at the casino, and it's not like you can't build your stacks to over 40 BB's.

10-26-2005, 12:50 AM
I definitely push this. I figure most of the time you're taking the $175 in the pot without getting into a fight with the button.

PokerFink
10-26-2005, 01:23 AM
So basically, you have the BB crushed and by pushing all-in you can probably get the button to fold even if he has you beat.

Exactly why woulden't you push here? I see zero reasons to do anything but push.

NickPoker
10-26-2005, 01:33 AM
I had bad feeling that button had me beat, but I pushed. He almost convinced himself that I had A7 but called with 107. (BB had A10).

One of those situations where postion killed me.

PokerFink
10-26-2005, 01:36 AM
"The button who is one of the best players in the room"

"He almost convinced himself that I had A7 but called with 107."

I think you need to re-evaluate from best players in the room to NIT.

You lost $200 in a 2/5 game with trips... Don't beat yourself up over it. There is no way you should ever be getting away from this hand, especially if you think you have the BB killed.

TheWorstPlayer
10-26-2005, 01:51 AM
If he's the best player in the room, the things you say to describe his game do not make any sense to me. The best player in the room will not lay down a good 7 here. The best player in the room will call the flop with 89, AT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA, and a bunch of other possible hands, too. You don't say if there is flush draw on flop so I assume no? But it just seems like way weird the way you say he will play. You guys only have 40bb! I think it is pretty obvious that you should call and be very willing to get all in. This game structure sucks hard by the way.

NickPoker
10-26-2005, 02:03 AM
That is what I did for the reasons you said his range of hands was too wide, but I think he would have been more aggressive with some of those hands to find out where he was. He does not play that way against all players, but we generally try to stay out of each other's way because there is much easier money to get, so that is why I leaned towards a 7. Maybe I am over analyzing and being results oriented, but I don't think so. Against players you play with a lot sometimes you have just have that 6th sense. But in the end I came to the same conclusion, I couldn't justify to myself getting away from this hand for 40 BB. I'm only kicking myself a bit for not trusting my gut. I agree that the blind structure is not great, but as long as the game is approached correctly it isn't that bad. In fact there are enough players who don't adjust to the structure that it can be a +EV for those who do. (playing correctly imo is to tighten up preflop standards until the game starts getting deeper)