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durron597

10-25-2005, 06:33 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 (t1360)
MP1 (t1670)
MP2 (t1470)
CO (t1500)
Hero (t945)
SB (t3200)
BB (t2095)
UTG (t1260)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, 3 folds, Hero calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets t60, Hero raises to t200, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls t140.

Turn: (t520) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t715 (All-In), UTG+1 calls t715.

River: (t1950) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1950

Results in white below: 
UTG+1 has Tc 4c (flush, queen high).
Hero has 8c Jc (flush, queen high).
Outcome: Hero wins t1950.

jeffraider

10-25-2005, 06:34 PM

Fold preflop n00b

splashpot

10-25-2005, 06:36 PM

I don't get it. Why is this hand funny?

The once and future king

10-25-2005, 06:37 PM

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Fold preflop n00b

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney

durron597

10-25-2005, 06:37 PM

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Fold preflop n00b

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On Party I would, on this table on Stars no way.

10-25-2005, 06:39 PM

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Fold preflop n00b

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On Party I would, on this table on Stars no way.

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OMG POKAR!

jeffraider

10-25-2005, 06:47 PM

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Fold preflop n00b

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On Party I would, on this table on Stars no way.

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If you had 1500 in chips then I wouldn't fold it either. You've got a Party stack though, so that's why I'd fold preflop.

durron597

10-25-2005, 06:58 PM

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Fold preflop n00b

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On Party I would, on this table on Stars no way.

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If you had 1500 in chips then I wouldn't fold it either. You've got a Party stack though, so that's why I'd fold preflop.

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I usually like to mix it up if I lose a bunch of chips early for cheap to try to rebuild a stack. If it's -EV, it isn't very.

skoal2k4

10-25-2005, 07:03 PM

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I don't get it. Why is this hand funny?

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durron597

10-25-2005, 07:08 PM

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I don't get it. Why is this hand funny?

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I thought it was funny because I thought I was bluffing with the Jack high flush draw and it turned out I was bluffing with the best hand... and got called anyway.

*shrug*

splashpot

10-25-2005, 07:09 PM

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I don't get it. Why is this hand funny?

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I thought it was funny because I thought I was bluffing with the Jack high flush draw and it turned out I was bluffing with the best hand... and got called anyway.

*shrug*

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Actually, that happens to me all the time. People will call with the weirdest stuff sometimes.

10-25-2005, 08:28 PM

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Actually, that happens to me all the time. People will call with the weirdest stuff sometimes.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
Hero (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG raises to t40, 4 folds, Hero calls t40, Button calls t40, 2 folds.

Flop: (t150) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG bets t40, Hero raises to t100, Button calls t100, UTG calls t60.

Turn: (t450) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t200, Button calls t200, UTG raises to t400, Hero calls t200, Button calls t200.

River: (t1650) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets t960 (All-In), UTG calls t960 (All-In), Hero ????

I know: you would have folded preflop (and probably done a lot of things differently after that), but here you are.

Nick M

10-25-2005, 08:30 PM

this guy so deserves this playing 104s UTG...holy donk

Nick M

10-25-2005, 08:34 PM

as soon as i get called on the flop I check call the whole way unless I get put to the serious test and then I fold.

but yeah fold preflop ahahah and this example is exactly the reason why...damn this is some jam you got into here.

pooh74

10-25-2005, 08:46 PM

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Actually, that happens to me all the time. People will call with the weirdest stuff sometimes.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
Hero (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG raises to t40, 4 folds, Hero calls t40, Button calls t40, 2 folds.

Flop: (t150) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG bets t40, Hero raises to t100, Button calls t100, UTG calls t60.

Turn: (t450) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t200, Button calls t200, UTG raises to t400, Hero calls t200, Button calls t200.

River: (t1650) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets t960 (All-In), UTG calls t960 (All-In), Hero ????

I know: you would have folded preflop (and probably done a lot of things differently after that), but here you are.

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ouch...im done with that hand. I can reason to myself that Im up against one donk...but not two...I cant see what you are ahead of here...you might be losing to both of em.

10-25-2005, 09:11 PM

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Actually, that happens to me all the time. People will call with the weirdest stuff sometimes.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
Hero (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG raises to t40, 4 folds, Hero calls t40, Button calls t40, 2 folds.

Flop: (t150) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG bets t40, Hero raises to t100, Button calls t100, UTG calls t60.

Turn: (t450) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t200, Button calls t200, UTG raises to t400, Hero calls t200, Button calls t200.

River: (t1650) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets t960 (All-In), UTG calls t960 (All-In), Hero ????

I know: you would have folded preflop (and probably done a lot of things differently after that), but here you are.

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ouch...im done with that hand. I can reason to myself that Im up against one donk...but not two...I cant see what you are ahead of here...you might be losing to both of em.

[/ QUOTE ]That's what I figured. I folded. They held Q/images/graemlins/club.gifJ/images/graemlins/diamond.gif and A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif and I had them both beat. This was from a PS $15 turbo.

bigt439

10-25-2005, 09:13 PM

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I don't get it. Why is this hand funny?

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I thought it was funny because I thought I was bluffing with the Jack high flush draw and it turned out I was bluffing with the best hand... and got called anyway.

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Haha poor Durron. This really isn't funny, but I could understand how you one might think so as they were playing it.

Nick M

10-25-2005, 09:14 PM

QJ oh my god...i hope the button had the QJ...but you never know at the 16s /images/graemlins/wink.gif

kyro

10-25-2005, 09:38 PM

Everyone is making this out to be the worst call in the history of poker.

He had an OESD and flush draw on the turn. I've seen worse.

FlyWf

10-25-2005, 10:12 PM

Also, yeah, it's not really "bluffing" with an OESD, flush draw, and 2 overcards.

kyro

10-25-2005, 10:18 PM

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Also, yeah, it's not really "bluffing" with an OESD, flush draw, and 2 overcards.

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That was going to be my other point but I decided not to post it because I didn't want to overload the board with too much information.

microbet

10-25-2005, 10:26 PM

Buh, HU two healthy stacks I pushed and got called by 24o. I didn't even think I had been pushing so much to generate such a spite call.

pergesu

10-25-2005, 10:35 PM

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Buh, HU two healthy stacks I pushed and got called by 24o. I didn't even think I had been pushing so much to generate such a spite call.

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Yeah I find it funny when they fold over and over and over and then finally call with 93s /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

tigerite

10-26-2005, 05:07 AM

Or J7s as happened to me last night. I think they just get bored or something. Crippled me to 800 v his 9200 (at 300/600 and me in bb next hand) so I just had to rely on my luckbox to get back to 5k each, then call with A3o and beat his KQo.

Muppets.

Scuba Chuck

10-26-2005, 05:21 AM

durron, seriously, why wouldn't you just call on the flop? What do you gain by raising, other than trouble (usually)?

Melchiades

10-26-2005, 05:24 AM

He is charging the other dude for his draw obviously. Oh....

SCfuji

10-26-2005, 05:27 AM

leave it to the sttf to take a LC thread so seriously. haha.

durron597

10-26-2005, 05:56 AM

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durron, seriously, why wouldn't you just call on the flop? What do you gain by raising, other than trouble (usually)?

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Because the guy was limping every hand and betting every flop and I wanted to take it down right there.

I felt putting that in the OP would have detracted from the amusement value, though maybe there was some strategy to be had here.

Scuba Chuck

10-26-2005, 06:11 AM

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Because the guy was limping every hand and betting every flop and I wanted to take it down right there.

I felt putting that in the OP would have detracted from the amusement value, though maybe there was some strategy to be had here.

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Then, of course, there is some strategy here. Raising here does disguise your hand, and once you're now in this spot on the turn, I think it's auto-push. That being said, with your read, I think calling with 3:1 pot odds is probably enough as well. FWIW, again with your read, on average, you probably have 50% pot equity here (or more), assuming you don't share cards of the same rank.

It's good that you identified the table ATM. Good play.

durron597

10-26-2005, 07:05 AM

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That being said, with your read, I think calling with 3:1 pot odds is probably enough as well.

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I felt the raise would take it down right there, and when it doesn't it makes the pot nicer when I do hit. If this ATM had a 7, say, and I hit my flush he might actually be able to find himself a fold. Also, more importantly, I might be able to get the blinds to fold a 7 to a bet and a raise.

On the turn when I pick up my straight draw it's an easy push. I don't want to give him a free card when he has a hand like he had (he still had plenty of outs), plus there's always the miniscule chance I can get a player like to fold one pair. I was just in shock that not only did he call, but that I was really far out in front too.

Stoneii

10-26-2005, 07:51 AM

I watched a cracker last night while at a table in a MTT satellite. I folded preflop so got to watch and "learn" what the value bet's all about........

3 players in pot UTG+1 raised pot (3.5 BB's or so) and got 2 callers. Flop JT8 with 2 clubs. UTG+1 bets 2/3 pot and gets 2 callers - ok I'm starting to put them on draws, tpgk etc etc. Turn is 7o. UTG+1 bets 2/3 pot and gets 2 callers (someone is slow playing....).

River is a 3rd club (from recall like a 4c) so by now all 3 could have got there with their hands.........UTG+1 bets full pot this time and gets 2 callers (wow I'm interested to see this)

Shows the J6o and the other two muck.........I nearly time out the next hand from falling of my seat wetting my pants - fabulous /images/graemlins/grin.gif

durron597

10-26-2005, 10:23 AM

Two copies of AT???

10-26-2005, 10:31 AM

Yesterday I pushed with AQ, no pairs, no draws when a T paired on the turn. I knew he didn't have a ten, and I thought he probably had a draw. (Two flush draws on board and T7x). But, well, I went with my instinct and pushed. He called with 98 and I lost. I don't know if should be happy or not with that.

10-26-2005, 10:32 AM

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Two copies of AT???

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How can you fold when your gutshot hits bottom pair on the turn?

durron597

10-26-2005, 11:02 AM

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Yesterday I pushed with AQ, no pairs, no draws when a T paired on the turn. I knew he didn't have a ten, and I thought he probably had a draw. (Two flush draws on board and T7x). But, well, I went with my instinct and pushed. He called with 98 and I lost. I don't know if should be happy or not with that.

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pokenum -h ac qh - 9s 8d -- th 7s 2d tc
Holdem Hi: 44 enumerated boards containing 7s Tc 2d Th
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Qh 30 68.18 14 31.82 0 0.00 0.682
9s 8d 14 31.82 30 68.18 0 0.00 0.318

Stoneii

10-26-2005, 12:05 PM

and if u were third to act with pot bet and call ahead of u on such a connected board - can u consider the call on each street with AT ?

durron597

10-26-2005, 01:09 PM

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and if u were third to act with pot bet and call ahead of u on such a connected board - can u consider the call on each street with AT ?

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Of course not, I was just trying to guess something remotely plausible...