Small PP against more than one villain

[theblitz]

The 5%/10% is pretty straight-forward when you are heads up pre-flop.

However, what happens if you have 2 others in with you?
Do you still apply the same odds?

Example:

** Game ID 555147043 starting - 2005-10-25 20:19:37
** Salzburg [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- allways-AA sitting in seat 1 with $121.40
- Mission sitting in seat 2 with $88.35
- TMQ1 sitting in seat 3 with $99.00
- Mullemeck81 sitting in seat 4 with $97.20 [Dealer]
- tommaren sitting in seat 5 with $65.61
- theblitz2 sitting in seat 6 with $97.50

tommaren posted the small blind - $0.50
theblitz2 posted the big blind - $1.00
TMQ1 posted to play - $1.00
** Dealing card to theblitz2: 7 of Diamonds, 7 of Hearts
allways-AA called - $1.00
Mission folded
TMQ1 bet - $5.00
Mullemeck81 folded
tommaren folded
theblitz called - $5.00
allways-AA raised - $17.00
TMQ1 called - $17.00
theblitz - ?

Normall rules would required a fold here.
Does this change because of the extra villain?

On the one hand, the extra villain gives you the chance to stack more than one player.
On the other hand, it also increase the chance YOU will get stacked.

[Kyriefurro]

I fold. Calling this will cost almost 1/5 of your stack.

In the best possible worlds, if you hit your set you'll be able to stack both villains giving you 10-1 on your original call, which is sufficient implied odds.

But in the real world, one or both of them will NOT let you stack them. Or worse, you'll hit your set and loose to a bigger hand. While it's hard to quantify the odds of either of these scenerios happening, the odds are certainly significant enough to reduce your implied odds to the point where calling is not profitable.

[rikz]

So, if I count this right, there's $40.5 in the pot, you have $92.5 left in your stack and you have to call $12.0 more to see a flop. Is this right?

Or are the raises not inclusive of earlier bets? In which case the pot is $47.5 and you have $17.0 to call?

In either case, both villains have you covered and your action completes the preflop action. So, if pot odds are better than 8:1, then I think calling would be a high variance play, but justifiable if you want to take a shot at it.

If it's $12 to call and the pot is $40.5 and you will have $80.5 left after the flop, then I think it's ok to call (121:12 or ~10:1).

If it's $17 to call and the pot is $47.5 and you will have $75.5 left after the flop, then it is probably better to fold (123:17 or ~7:1).

In either case, I wouldn't expect to stack more than the original re-raiser if you hit your set. Its possible, but he's representing an overpair like KK or AA and your best chance is to spike a set and play it in such a way to make the KK or AA go broke.

In any case, folding would be OK too, especially if you have reason to believe that the big preflop raiser can lay down an overpair post flop.

[theblitz]

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you have to call $12.0 more to see a flop. Is this right?

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Correct.

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I think calling would be a high variance play, but justifiable if you want to take a shot at it.

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Exactly what I did.
I missed on the flop and folded.
Turned out the original re-raiser had AA and hit a set!
Was kinda pleased I missed.