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durron597

10-25-2005, 09:06 AM

Melchiades

10-25-2005, 09:11 AM

What do you think about the difference between 16's and 27's. I've been playing mostly 16's but throwing in a few 27's and haven't really noticed much difference, but my sample size is very small. You seem like you have played a few.

Sciolist

10-25-2005, 09:15 AM

I found UB SNG hard to play because of their horrible re-designed table selection interface, and I used to play there all the time.

You can play as many tables at once as you like on PS. It's a bit harder to play 8+ at once though, because firstly they fill up a little slower, and secondly there's only one at a limit open for registration at once.

durron597

10-25-2005, 09:17 AM

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What do you think about the difference between 16's and 27's. I've been playing mostly 16's but throwing in a few 27's and haven't really noticed much difference, but my sample size is very small. You seem like you have played a few.

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I was frustrated at the $16s for awhile, mostly breaking even, before I took a shot at the $27s and started winning. Variance? Maybe. I suck? Probably. But I'm not the only one I know who thinks the $16s are unusually hard.

The $6.50s are a complete joke.

10-25-2005, 09:54 AM

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I was frustrated at the $16s for awhile, mostly breaking even, before I took a shot at the $27s and started winning. Variance? Maybe. I suck? Probably. But I'm not the only one I know who thinks the $16s are unusually hard.

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pooh74

10-25-2005, 10:56 AM

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What do you think about the difference between 16's and 27's. I've been playing mostly 16's but throwing in a few 27's and haven't really noticed much difference, but my sample size is very small. You seem like you have played a few.

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I was frustrated at the $16s for awhile, mostly breaking even, before I took a shot at the $27s and started winning. Variance? Maybe. I suck? Probably. But I'm not the only one I know who thinks the $16s are unusually hard.

The $6.50s are a complete joke.

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There is going to be typically a little more variance in a turbo type structure, so unless you have large samples at both (16s and 27s), then it is difficult to say "how much" more difficult the 27s are.

An educated guess on my part would say that, for the money, the 27s are a better deal because they are not THAT much more difficult than the 16s...but obviously are to some extent. Though I wouldnt even play the 27s without a roll of at least 900-1000...I have had a couple of downswings of 20+ buy-ins...And when A huge chunk of profit is constantly going to MTT buy-ins, things can get hairy from time to time.

Iamafish

10-25-2005, 12:14 PM

Playing at stars is going to be a lot different than party. There is no comparison w/ 16's to the 11's on party.

Becuase of the t1500 starting stacks there is more preflop play, which can make it more difficult.

As far as comparing the 16's to 27's, the 27's are obvously harder. Expect the blinds to get higher with more people still in more often than a 16.

GtrHtr

10-25-2005, 12:34 PM

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What do you think about the difference between 16's and 27's. I've been playing mostly 16's but throwing in a few 27's and haven't really noticed much difference, but my sample size is very small. You seem like you have played a few.

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I was frustrated at the $16s for awhile, mostly breaking even, before I took a shot at the $27s and started winning. Variance? Maybe. I suck? Probably. But I'm not the only one I know who thinks the $16s are unusually hard.

The $6.50s are a complete joke.

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I played 50 6.50s to adjust to the PS turbo format and they were a ton of fun and extremely profitable (70% ITM /images/graemlins/laugh.gif). I had virtually no BR on stars so I thought the 6.5s would kill 2 birds...

So far the 16s are much of the same although tighter in my opinion but with the same horrible calling standards and lack of pushbotting experience.

I pretty much got sick of trying to build my roll on the 6.50s and played a Turbo 11r sat to last Sunday's 500k, won that, unregistered, instant BR.

I still find multi-tabling on stars difficult after 100 tournys or so. The action interface is too small IMO and the random seating is a pain.

Bluff Daddy

10-25-2005, 12:35 PM

more preflop play? I guess you mean postflop but thats not true b/c they are talking about turbos

SCfuji

10-25-2005, 12:35 PM

this is the first time i think ive said this but the time of day really does matter on stars. i never really gave a rats ass when i played on party as i could fire up tables whenever i wanted and find a bunch of retards.

benfranklin

10-25-2005, 12:39 PM

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But I'm not the only one I know who thinks the $16s are unusually hard.

The $6.50s are a complete joke.

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I played a $6.50 the other night where I was heads up while the blinds were still 15/30. Talk about being disoriented. There was nothing there to steal. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

I just moved over to Stars from Party/skins after the split, and have been playing at a number of different levels. Based on a very small sample, the jump from $6.50 to $16 seems to be one of the biggest in lower level SnGs. The $6.50 at Stars is easier than the $11 at Party. The $16 is probably more like the $33.

Bluff Daddy

10-25-2005, 12:46 PM

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The $16 is probably more like the $33.

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not even close

durron597

10-25-2005, 01:20 PM

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As far as comparing the 16's to 27's, the 27's are obvously harder. Expect the blinds to get higher with more people still in more often than a 16.

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Which means they're tighter on the bubble which increases your edge.

I think the problem with the 16s is that they typically don't push enough and call too much meaning you have to find a hand, which makes the turbo structure hurt a lot. $27s its easier to get folds and generally outplay people.

pooh74

10-25-2005, 01:30 PM

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As far as comparing the 16's to 27's, the 27's are obvously harder. Expect the blinds to get higher with more people still in more often than a 16.

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Which means they're tighter on the bubble which increases your edge.

I think the problem with the 16s is that they typically don't push enough and call too much meaning you have to find a hand, which makes the turbo structure hurt a lot. $27s its easier to get folds and generally outplay people.

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I disagree with this...

Lets not get into the debate about whether lower BIs are harder etc...I think a "market", even this small, is pretty efficient. (there are no anomolies).

Secondly, more people around at the bubble does not, or I should say, "should not" increase your edge. The more people left when the blinds are high, the MORE they will be calling your pushes with less because the further away they technically are from being ITM.

If your personal experience has been otherwise, I believe you, but I don't think what you said is generally true.

durron597

10-25-2005, 01:33 PM

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If your personal experience has been otherwise, I believe you, but I don't think what you said is generally true.

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What I meant was, it's easier to play against tighter opponents at 300/600 than it is to play against looser opponents at 100/200.

pooh74

10-25-2005, 01:43 PM

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If your personal experience has been otherwise, I believe you, but I don't think what you said is generally true.

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What I meant was, it's easier to play against tighter opponents at 300/600 than it is to play against looser opponents at 100/200.

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Ok, yes, all thing being equal...but all things are not equal because 300-600 will be HU at 16s much more than at 27s where 3-6 will often still be 4 handed.

IOW, I'd rather be playing loose opponents at 100-200 with 4 left, then tight opponents at 300-600 with 4 left. So should you.

cha59

10-25-2005, 04:58 PM

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sorry just wondering what the standard of the 15 plus 1 turbo's are like on pokerstars in comparison to the 11s on party. How many tables can u play in one go as wel? cheers. Is UB the same?

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I play the 27s and I find that they are beatable. I played a lot of 6.50s and they are very, very easy. I played few of the 16s, but the few I did play seemed like they fit in between the 27s and 6.50s.

The Stars games are not like Party because of the starting stacks. I dont think they are harder, just different.

As far the the number of donks per table, you'll probably see fewer at a typical Stars game than at a similar buyin at Party - but it isnt a huge difference.

UB - you can only play 3 tables at once and the players are about the same as at Stars in ability. There are way more people playing at Stars than UB. The games at UB move faster than anywhere else I've played because they have good software.

valenzuela

10-25-2005, 06:18 PM

I dont really care because I can 8table on PS while I can only 3table on PS( crappy PC).
My opinion is that I can beat the 16s 8tabling , Im playing MTTs nowadays, I just play SNGs to finance my tourney play.( Im +EV on all those things of course but MTT variance is a bithc, Ive only won more than 5x my buy-in three times...those three times came in 5 tourneys.)

10-25-2005, 06:31 PM

Small sample size.. but I'm stomping the 16s. Not finding them noticeably tougher than $6.50s.

Maybe i'm just running good.

Nick M

10-25-2005, 06:36 PM

I have about 1000 SNGs for each the 16s and the 27s. The cool thing about the 27s is you can use a lot trickier play when close or at the bubble. For instance this play actually works at the 27s....

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG (t2740)
Button (t790)
Hero (t9645)
BB (t325)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
3 folds.

Final Pot: t100
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next hand
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB (t2715)
UTG (t765)
Hero (t9420)
SB (t600)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises to t9420, 2 folds.

Final Pot: t9495

The 16s are a joke if you don't play stupid and don't push every hand at the bubble. They don't understand that they need to fold. 16 bucks is not enough for people to care about doing the correct thing.

TheNoodleMan

10-25-2005, 07:10 PM

I just moved to stars after the party split. In the couple weeks since, I have been playing the 27s and they seem pretty comparable in skill level to what I was used to seeing from oppenents at the party 33s.
I still haven't figured out how to get PT to read the tourney summaries and I'm way too lazy to input them all manually, so I don't have any idea about my ROI, but the money my account is steadily growing.
I really don't think it is all that accurate to say there is a significant difference in the amount of post flop play. The blinds rise so quick that it turns into the same type of pushfest that happens at party.

Nick M

10-25-2005, 07:16 PM

i read there was some patch for Pokertracker. ok here it is

TPT (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=3766955&page=&view=&s b=5&o=&vc=1)

AlphaWice

10-25-2005, 07:18 PM

I found $38 > $6.50 > $13 personally, in terms of my win EV %

pooh74

10-25-2005, 07:25 PM

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I found $38 > $6.50 > $13 personally, in terms of my win EV %

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????

Do you mean the 6 handed games?

Nick M

10-25-2005, 07:45 PM

yeah 38 is a 6 handed regular on PS...i don't know about the others though.

bawcerelli

10-25-2005, 08:18 PM

i've been playing only the 16's and 27's on stars lately. the 16's are really easy to beat, the 27's only moderately more difficult, but not by much.

Iamafish

10-25-2005, 08:19 PM

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more preflop play? I guess you mean postflop but thats not true b/c they are talking about turbos

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Yes, postflop. It being a turbo doesnt matter.

bearly

10-25-2005, 10:31 PM

please help me, poker english is not my first language. does 'real easy to beat' mean you win every time? or every other time? do all the people that say such-and-such games are 'easy to beat' win most all of those games? chocolate is real easy to eat so i eat it when it is in my hand. is it like that?..........b

TheNoodleMan

10-26-2005, 12:43 AM

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i read there was some patch for Pokertracker. ok here it is

TPT (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=3766955&page=&view=&s b=5&o=&vc=1)

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yeah, but that doesn't put your finishes in, so it really doesn't do much. NO biggie, I don't really need to know my ROI. I'd be nice, but I am starting to feel freed from the number, if you know what I mean.

Nick M

10-26-2005, 12:48 AM

It's funny you say that. I posted a reply to this thread Big's Post (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=singletable&Number=376 3872&Forum=,,All_Forums,,&Words=&Searchpage=1&Limi t=25&Main=3762692&Search=true&where=&Name=19731&da terange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype= &bodyprev=#Post3763872) and I talked about that exact feeling. I have started to not log numbers into excel until the end of the month. I have PS send me one of those HTML results sheets. I don't know if you've ever seen one, but they are pretty amazing. They give you exactly what you need in one easy email.

Melchiades

10-26-2005, 05:45 AM

So what is the good time of the day to play these. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

AlphaWice

10-26-2005, 06:09 AM

A good way to drop $200 in a few minutes: 16 tabling $6.50s

while ago, I am like - well, I am winning on empire, so when I switched over, I immediately start 16tabling the $6.50s. Cool.

tigerite

10-26-2005, 06:31 AM

Heh, just don't think of it as money.. I do my very best not to when 8-tabling the $55s, as must people like raptor, else he'd be worried about losing a million on his 289328392839289 tables /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

durron597

10-26-2005, 07:06 AM

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Heh, just don't think of it as money.. I do my very best not to when 8-tabling the $55s, as must people like raptor, else he'd be worried about losing a million on his 289328392839289 tables /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Raptor probably isn't worried about losing on his 289282839829829 tables because his bankroll is probably 239489238402384293840239840329842390843290480324. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

SCfuji

10-26-2005, 07:17 AM

peak players. they fill quickly and there are a lot of them. i dont like playing these at 2AM when there are only ten tables going.

Stoneii

10-26-2005, 07:39 AM

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For instance this play actually works at the 27s....

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Mmmmmm - try it with the 600 stack versus a 9k+ stack and post yer results - bet u it doesn't seem to work as well /images/graemlins/wink.gif

stoneii