TT UTG -- Flop play?

[bolgenmod]

SB, BB, and MP3 are VERY loose; SB and BB are also overly aggressive (for example, 3-betting with weak offsuit aces). Whole table has been very LAG. In last 10 hands including blinds, I've played 3 (limping on all), folded one on flop, won 2 one with flush and and one with trips. So I'm playing fairly tight for this table.

What would you do on this flop?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (15 SB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero ....????

It really depends on how retarded they have been playing postflop, and what you think MP3's 3bet means, but I would fold here.

[irishpint]

no way am i folding- probably 3 betting.

[W. Deranged]

Given your read, this seems like an automatic three-bet.

[Blunderfull1]

Whoops, I didnt see the reads. Yeah, this is an easy 3 bet.

[imported_CaseClosed326]

With your read I cap pre-flop. Also, raise this flop.

[bolgenmod]

What about the two-flush and the possible straight draws? Do these slow you down?

[Duerig]

I would 3 bet here. Donks at this level generally would wait until the turn to raise if they had the 9.

[Redd]

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What about the two-flush and the possible straight draws? Do these slow you down?

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These actually speed me up, since its more likely that their aggression is with a hand that I beat. IMO it's much easier to 3-bet here than a 399 rainbow flop.

[bolgenmod]

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What about the two-flush and the possible straight draws? Do these slow you down?

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These actually speed me up, since its more likely that their aggression is with a hand that I beat. IMO it's much easier to 3-bet here than a 399 rainbow flop.

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Well, I read their fast play as a threat. With four loose players, I thought it very likely that strong draws were out there. And the BB raising the SB (pre-flop 3 bettor), made me think that the SB might have an overpair, the BB a 9. No reason for the specific reads, but still: I thought I was beat in at least one place, possibly two, with 2 more players to act, and lots of ways to draw out on me: about 21 turn cards could be dangerous (flush cards, overcards, straight cards). And if I were behind, I obviously only had 2 outs.

Yes, the pot was large (18 SB), but it was 2 bets to me, thus 9 to 1. Not even close to the right odds for 2 outs. And I thought that with the aggressive play, the flop might be capped. Putting in a lot of bets with a hand that if still best was likely not to hold up seemed foolish to me. So I folded.

And I was "right": the flop was capped, and there was a 9 out there. But I am obviously wondering whether I did the right thing by folding on the flop. And I don't want to let the results influence my thinking. I thought I was doing the right thing. Others don't.

So was it weak-tight to fold, being too fearful that I was already beat? Or prudent?

Even with your read, I fold here. Too expensive (they will raise forever) and too dangerous (overcards, 9) to continue. Wait for a better hand and punish them.

[Francis]

If folding this is weak, I don't wanna be strong!

Seriously, a flush draw on the board and a pair of 9s (a card people play w/a K,J,Q,A, etc) and 5 players in the hand. I think people w/ at least a high club will stick around, and if the set is made, it's going to be raised forever.

You've got 2 outs, And 18:2 odds to call, and you don't close the action is another reason to fold this.

As someone else said earlier; punish them next time; Even maniacs get hands.

[TomBrooks]

Three bet. You want to knock out any players behind you holding overcards.

[ArturiusX]

Why fold here? We have an overpair, its possible someone has a 9, but the pot is huge people. 55 may bet this flop, A7 may raise.

3-bet, and go from there.

[lautzutao]

3-bet, fold to further aggression on the turn.