KK giving me fits

[2+2 Junkie]

Here are two KK hands that I really didn't know what to do on:

Hand 1:
CO is semi-loose, passive

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif. MP3 posts a blind of $0.25. CO posts a blind of $0.35.
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 (poster) calls, CO (poster) calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (11.80 SB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button folds, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (9.90 BB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks.

River: (9.90 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: 11.90 BB

Hand 2:
MP2 is tight passive
MP3 is semi-loose passive

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 caps</font>, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.40 SB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (9.70 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

River: (15.70 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP3 checks, <font color="red">CO Bets </font>, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 15.70 BB

[SoftcoreRevolt]

You gots to raise the river on hand two. Hand 1 seems a little too passive, I'd 3 bet the flop with villain possibly on the flush draw.

[jaxUp]

I 3bet the flop in hand 1. We'll see a 9 or a FD here often. Hand 2 I think I like. Not sure about flop c/r, but I think it has some merit. What were your reasons for doing it?

[jaxUp]

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You gots to raise the river on hand two.

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I'd prefer to go for overcall with a paired board and 4 flush here.

[2+2 Junkie]

These are my reasons for check raising flop on Hand 1 (let me know if any or all are flawed reasons)
1. I figured I had the best hand
2. I wanted anybody with a flush draw to pay for it
3. I wanted hands like AJ or QJ out if they didn't have a /images/graemlins/diamond.gif, thinking I flopped a flush (basically trying to lower the chance of someone getting 2 pair on me)

[2+2 Junkie]

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You gots to raise the river on hand two.

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I'd prefer to go for overcall with a paired board and 4 flush here.

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With the 4 bet pre-flop, is anyone concerned about the Ace of diamonds here?

Hand 1 - 3 bet the flop

Hand 2 - I would just lead the flop. I bet/call the river

Hand1:
I'm Reraising the flop for value. You've got a couple people trapped.
I'd lead the Turn and call reraise then check/call river

Hand2:
I'm trying to think do I 3bet Turn and I'm leaning to just calling. Thats a lot of aggression for a board that screams "I've got a flush" or I've got 3 Jacks.

AA would play this hand that way especially with Ad..I'd call the River.

[TomBrooks]

Hand 1: Three bet the flop, bet the turn, fold the river.

Hand 2 looks OK.

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Hand 1: Three bet the flop, bet the turn, fold the river.

Hand 2 looks OK.

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[TomBrooks]

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Hand 1: Three bet the flop, bet the turn, fold the river. Hand 2 looks OK.

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[/ QUOTE ] /images/graemlins/confused.gif what? fold the river? I think CO has a nine and made a boat on the river. But maybe the CO just bet the river nine because Hero checked the turn and river. Can't tell for sure what to do there. I think it would have been more clear if Hero had done some more betting earlier.

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Hand 1: Three bet the flop, bet the turn, fold the river. Hand 2 looks OK.

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[/ QUOTE ] /images/graemlins/confused.gif what? fold the river? I think villian has a nine and made a boat on the river.

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Villian could so have a busted flush draw or something like 1010 or even 88. I think folding the river is really bad.

[Redd]

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Hand 1 - 3 bet the flop

Hand 2 - I would just lead the flop. I bet/call the river

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[BatsShadow]

grunch:

I don't like the first hand, but I think you played it fine except I'm pretty sure I fold that river. CO posted. He has a 5 or a 9.

2nd Hand, again I like except the river. Unless you really respect that turn raiser, I raise this river. I'm a maniac 6max player though.

[Augster]

Hand 1,

3-bet the flop. CO could push flush draw just like this.

Bet the turn. If you don't bet, the flush draw's raise for a free card worked perfectly on the flop.

The river I'll just call behind too. If he had any portion of the flop, he now has you beat. If he was on the draw, you have him beat. WA/WB, I just call.

Hand 2,

I like the lines to the river. I either bet-3-bet the river or C/R it. I'll pay extra to see the A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif or the completed house. But that's just me.

[2+2 Junkie]

Consensus on hand 1 is to 3 bet the flop. I guess I was concerned about a passive player raising me here. They don't normally do that on draws or with a 9, mostly with two pair or a set. The passive nature of him made me think about 3-betting.

Hand 2, I was terribly concerned that with three players 3-betting preflop, there had to be the Ace of diamonds out there somewhere, but I could have MUBS.

[ArturiusX]

Im a bit torn between a flop 3-bet/waiting and turn check raising.

3-betting has some trapping power, but I think more bets are achieved waiting for the turn. I guess I need to know how agro CO is, and how much the other guys fold. 3-betting isnt a bad line by default though.

[2+2 Junkie]

By the way jaxup, this avatar is MUCH BETTER than the last one. I might add it to my favorites just to keep the avatar.