OK I'll say it...

[McGahee]

NE -7 vs. Buffalo
Easy $. Any questions?

[CCx]

That line is impossible to get anymore, it's already 8.5/9 most places so if you were able to lock in at 7, good deal!

[McGahee]

Nah I'm just going by Sheridan's line on USA Today; didn't realize it moved that much, though I'm not surprised and I'm not sure it'll matter.

[Losing all]

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Nah I'm just going by Sheridan's line on USA Today; didn't realize it moved that much, though I'm not surprised and I'm not sure it'll matter.

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It always matters some of the time..

[mosuavea]

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NE -7 vs. Buffalo
Easy $. Any questions?

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I dont understand why ESPN continues to put the Bills on Sunday night every year in NE after they come off the bye. This has train wreck written all over it.

[McGahee]

It is odd that they've played Miami & NE a combined 9 times in primetime since 1991 and every single game has been on the road...
But it's not like they can beat mediocre teams in the afternoon either. Raiders & Saints are the 2 most winable road games on the schedule and they've already lost those by a combined 33 points. Get ready for a Boston Massacre.

[NajdorfDefense]

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That line is impossible to get anymore, it's already 8.5/9 most places so if you were able to lock in at 7, good deal!

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NE has gotten rolled by teams with a strong rushing attack, would have another loss if they had to play Vick. Question is do you think McGahee is as good as Dunn, or Anderson or Bell, or at least close to LDT.

Naj

[McGahee]

Pittsburgh has a real strong rushing attack too and they couldn't do much. Atlanta moved the ball mostly thru the air w/ Schuab if I'm not mistaken...
McGahee's obviously better than Bell, Anderson & Dunn, but the Bills OL is nowhere close to as good as those teams.

[MCS]

I think Dunn is better than McGahee.

[ftball0000]

Bills have scored a total of 18 pts in their last 4 sunday night games (all on the road) Put that together with their offensive line unable to block anyone. Holcomb gets hit on almost every pass, which is why they don't throw downfield, there is no time. And this looks like an easy double digit win for the Pats.

However.... this just has a feel of a team w/ nothing to lose now, especally with Holcomb to get benched if they lose against NE (not official, but common knowledge here in Upstate NY)

All I can say is don't be a BSP on this game

P.S. How much do you think Bill Simmons of espn.com is gonna bet on the pats on this game. I bet in his picks article this is by far his biggest lock. Starting w/ "Don't bet Kelly Holcomb on the road"

[NajdorfDefense]

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I think Dunn is better than McGahee.

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I think you are outta your mind.

McGahee has like 12 100-yd games in 17 starts since triple ACL surgery. He has a much weaker line and no vick to take pressure off and no Duckett to rest him.

McGahee has more td's this year, same ydg, and last year had more yds and 4 more TDs in 5 fewer starts.

Naj

[MCS]

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I think Dunn is better than McGahee.

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I think you are outta your mind.

McGahee has like 12 100-yd games in 17 starts since triple ACL surgery. He has a much weaker line and no vick to take pressure off and no Duckett to rest him.

McGahee has more td's this year, same ydg, and last year had more yds and 4 more TDs in 5 fewer starts.

Naj

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Yeah? YEAH?! Well, I think I'm a Falcons fan who likes to drink beer on weeknights and has been angry for a while that Dunn never gets the respect he deserves. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Seriously, you may be right that McGahee is better. But Dunn is an excellent back, and he never gets mentioned as one of the elite NFL rushers. I think he should.

I think TDs are overrated as a measure of a RB's worth, though having a LOT more TDs is certainly significant.

The knock on Dunn was always that he's small, but when I watch him, he's always falling forward. He makes defenders miss as well as anyone in the league. I dunno. I have a soft spot for him.

FWIW Dr. Z rated him as the #1 back in the NFL about five years ago.

[mmbt0ne]

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McGahee has like 12 100-yd games in 17 starts since triple ACL surgery. He has a much weaker line and no vick to take pressure off and no Duckett to rest him.

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So, because McGahee doesn't have people who also carry the ball, he should be expected to have fewer yards? Come again?

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McGahee has more td's this year, same ydg, and last year had more yds and 4 more TDs in 5 fewer starts.

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Dunn doesn't get the ball in goal line situations. Not because he's not good enough to, but because Duckett is better. If Duckett were on Buffalo, McGahee wouldn't have as many TDs as he does now.

[NajdorfDefense]

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McGahee has like 12 100-yd games in 17 starts since triple ACL surgery. He has a much weaker line and no vick to take pressure off and no Duckett to rest him.

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So, because McGahee doesn't have people who also carry the ball, he should be expected to have fewer yards? Come again?

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McGahee has more td's this year, same ydg, and last year had more yds and 4 more TDs in 5 fewer starts.

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Dunn doesn't get the ball in goal line situations. Not because he's not good enough to, but because Duckett is better. ...

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So, McGahee has more 100-yd games than Dunn since he's become a starter, more TDs, is a better blocker, and you're arguing that Dunn is better? How are we supposed to measure that, or should I just take your word on it?

Warrick is a good RB, just not as good as willis.

naj

[mmbt0ne]

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So, McGahee has more 100-yd games than Dunn since he's become a starter, more TDs, is a better blocker, and you're arguing that Dunn is better? How are we supposed to measure that, or should I just take your word on it?

Warrick is a good RB, just not as good as willis.

naj

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No, I'm arguing that all of your reasons that McGahee is better were poorly chosen. Also, Dunn is a better blocker.

BTW, this year, Dunn has more 78 more rushing yards, and a better avg per rush (5.4 to 4.2). It's easy to explain why he has 2 fewer touchdowns than McGahee when Vick has 3 and Duckett 4.

[McGahee]

Yeah, I really didn't think this was even worth arguing. The Bills OL is brutal and every team he faces has 8+ in the box.
Vick also helps the running game a lot, and not just by running as pointed out by Hodge &amp; Jaws on film study. The DE &amp; OLB always have to respect the boot action from the weak side which opens up some nice cutback lanes.
Dunn is a fine RB and also seems like the guy you'd want your daughter to bring home, but I think just about every GM in the league would opt for Willis given the choice.

[MCS]

In addition to Dr. Z's aforementioned opinion, Peter King had this to say last week in SI:

"Most underappreciated player in football: Falcons running back Warrick Dunn. Other than the Chargers' LaDainian Tomlinson, there's not a tougher, more complete back in the league."