Online 15-30 Hand

[WhiteBoy]

I'm curious to know what you think about the following hand.

I'm in a good online 15-30 game with a couple loose-aggressives and several loose-passives. UTG L/P limps, I limp in EMP with 77 (suits not important), a relatively unknown (but semi-fishy looking) player limps in MP, and an average player limps from the CO.

The flop is: A75 rainbow

UTG checks, I bet, MP calls, and CO raises. UTG folds, I call (looking to CR the turn) and MP now re-raises. CO now folds and I call (still planning to CR the turn). At this point I put my opponent on 2 pair or a set of 5s.

Turn is: K of hearts, now 2 hearts on the board.

I check, he bets, I raise, he 3-bets, I cap.

River is: 9 (offsuit - no flush or str8 possibility)

I bet, he raises, I 3-bet...

Given the way he played his hand (no raise preflop and a CR on the flop), I was pretty confident I was going to see 555.

My question: Was my river 3-bet over-aggressive?

Results to follow.

-WhiteBoy

[elysium]

hi white
no, that's about right. youre likely against two pair. and check-raising and capping the set is reasonable. well played.

[Sirens]

I would always 3 bet here.
Sirens

[Inthacup]

River is: 9 (offsuit - no flush or str8 possibility)

What about 6 8? I guess he didn't have that, or you wouldn't have written this in your post. AA or 55...hmmm. I'd 3-bet here. But limping with AA to "vary your play" is not COMPLETELY absurd.

[WhiteBoy]

/forums/images/icons/shocked.gif Oops! /forums/images/icons/shocked.gif

The flop was A74, not A75.

[astroglide]

people will try to limp-reraise aa after a limper all the time in 15/30

[WhiteBoy]

I am surprised to hear that you see that on a regular basis!?

I have played quite a bit of online poker at these limits and I haven't seen much limping with AA (or KK) after multiple limpers. I have notes on a couple people who regularly do this (DEVIL on Paradise), but we're talking about a small minority.

However, if you say it's a typical play, I'll be on the lookout for it.

-WhiteBoy

[WhiteBoy]

River is: 9 (offsuit - no flush or str8 possibility)

Board is: A74 K 9

I bet, he raises, I 3-bet...he caps. Ut-oh!

Now I think it's less likely that he'd cap with 444 and figure that he must have limped after two limpers with AA.

Yep, he has AAA.

This hand really surprised me because I really haven't seen many people online limp with AA in this spot. This particular player ended up busting out and never returning, so I doubt this was an example of a smart tactical response to the hyper-aggressive online players. At the time I figured that he had either been burned by raising AA in multi-way pots or that he had won big pots by limping with AA in the past and figured it was the best strategy.

In any case, he fooled me.

-WhiteBoy

[astroglide]

yes, i've seen it a ton on the 15 and 20 games on paradise, enough to actually notice and comment about it /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

[Diplomat]

It happens lots online in different places. It's like, "ooo, I'm going to trap everyone in front of me, and everyone -behind- me as well for a single bet pre-flop with a pocket pair! I rule the world!"

Ok I added the last part about ruling the world.

-Diplomat

[Ed Miller]

What hand could your opponent possibly put you on going to war on the turn and river on that board? He just has to put you on at least a set on the turn. He doesn't seem too afraid of you, either... certainly once he raises me again on the river I'm done raising him. And I think you can almost fold to the 4-bet... what hand could you possibly beat that he would play this way.

I played the following hand at the Bellagio 8-16 game a couple of days ago.

I have the Q /forums/images/icons/heart.gif Q /forums/images/icons/diamond.gif in MP. An EP limper (new to casino poker, but plays surprisingly well for someone who doesn't know what chopping is). I raise. All fold to the limper who calls.

Flop comes A /forums/images/icons/spade.gif 7 /forums/images/icons/heart.gif 4 /forums/images/icons/club.gif. He checks, I bet, he calls. Turn is the Q /forums/images/icons/spade.gif. He checks, I bet, he raises. I just call, planning to raise the river. River is the J /forums/images/icons/diamond.gif. He bets, I raise, he thinks and 3-bets. As soon as he 3-bet me, I thought, "wow... AA..." I hadn't considered that hand at all, basically, until I got 3-bet on the river. Once that 3-bet went in, though, it was the only hand I thought about... and I considered folding.... but figured that there was enough chance that he was overplaying a smaller set that I needed to call. Of course he did show AA. Moral of the story is... don't ever discount AA if that's the only hand that makes sense just because he failed to raise preflop.