(33) hand-push or peel?

[tdarko]

i had gotten my stack chopped down a little when my KK lost to a short stack all in AQ. oh well.

stacks:
Hero- T1870
MP-T2670

blinds are 50/100 5 players left.
MP limps, and so does two others, Hero on the button with A /images/graemlins/club.gif7 /images/graemlins/club.gif i raise to 500, and folded to MP who calls.

flop is (A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5 /images/graemlins/club.gif 6 /images/graemlins/club.gif)
Villain bets 300, Hero???

my thoughts- the tiny bet into the flop set off alarms, either he hit his hand hard or he is scared. if the ace hit him then it most likely hit him better than me. i have some fold equity here, and if i start calling off my stack i feel i am going to have to make a move later anyway.

much more important question is why you raise A7s to 5bb in this spot.

[durron597]

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much more important question is why you raise A7s to 5bb in this spot.

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This is true.

Also, the pot is huge, you are basically never worse than a 45% dog, just push.

[tdarko]

this table was really weak. this table raised when they had a big hand and limped when they had a hand in which they just wanted to see a flop, i had been pouncing on this the whole tourny and that was the reason my stack was able to withstand the KK suckout and another suckout i took earlier.

i stole a lot of chips at this table and this was just another effort. plus on AP the traffic is low at the higher sng's and at the 33's and higher i have played with a lot of these guys before and they tend to tighten up with 4 and 5 players left.

should i have picked a better spot?

[zambonidrivr]

1. fold preflop
2. with that great of a flop, SHOVE

[junkmail3]

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I disagree. I think you can put in a raise or limp here. You have 18BB and can work in this spot.

I would raise, 5xBB is a little high. Maybe 3.5 or 4xBB, and fold if the limper pushes his limp reraise stuff.

But you have a pretty good chance of picking up the blinds and the limpers chips in this spot (with decent cards to back it up).

[tdarko]

the villain was UTG, i mistyped...going on memory here and what i write down since AP's hand history program is a pain in the butt.

anyway, i don't see how you don't make a raise here to win a couple free orbits here coming up on the bubble, especially when they have layed hand after hand down to me preflop before.

[tigerite]

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I disagree. I think you can put in a raise or limp here. You have 18BB and can work in this spot.

I would raise, 5xBB is a little high. Maybe 3.5 or 4xBB, and fold if the limper pushes his limp reraise stuff.

But you have a pretty good chance of picking up the blinds and the limpers chips in this spot (with decent cards to back it up).

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Nah, that'll just give everyone odds to call and give you a bloated pot where most times you'll just hit a draw. I prefer limping in this spot, but this flop is the best you could have hoped for - get your chips in whatever way you feel is best.

[schwza]

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i agree... and i think that includes just calling the flop. if you push, he's not going to call with a worse hand. he might push the turn with air. the only risk to calling is that you let him get away from a hand if a club hits, but i don't think that's too big a worry. it's worth too much to let him bluff again. call the flop and jam the turn.

[junkmail3]

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I disagree. I think you can put in a raise or limp here. You have 18BB and can work in this spot.

I would raise, 5xBB is a little high. Maybe 3.5 or 4xBB, and fold if the limper pushes his limp reraise stuff.

But you have a pretty good chance of picking up the blinds and the limpers chips in this spot (with decent cards to back it up).

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Nah, that'll just give everyone odds to call and give you a bloated pot where most times you'll just hit a draw. I prefer limping in this spot, but this flop is the best you could have hoped for - get your chips in whatever way you feel is best.

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The point of the raise here is not to play the hand but pick up 250 chips. I'd rather not have to play this hand and steal an extra BB. Thus I like the raise.

Is your problem with the raise itself or the amount of the raise needed to take the pot? Or would you rather just limp and try to take the pot on the flop?

[flyingmoose]

I like the preflop raise better in an MTT and almost never make it in an STT, but read dependent plays aren't really what forums are for, and I can't really comment much on it.

After you see this flop, you can't get away from the hand.
The pot is much bigger than your stack, so you might as well push. Calling would look much stronger than pushing on that flop, so I think your best bet is to just stick the chips in the middle.