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Lash
10-23-2005, 08:34 PM
No read on sb other than he seemed semi rational

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (5 SB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero ?

My question is: Do you feel this a clear fold - why or why not?
baronzeus
10-23-2005, 08:36 PM
it really depends on what limit this is at
kurosh
10-23-2005, 08:36 PM
No fold. Unknown, steal situation, flush draw, board paired, you have a pair.
Lash
10-23-2005, 08:43 PM
5/10
GetThere1Time
10-23-2005, 08:46 PM
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No fold. Unknown, steal situation, flush draw, board paired, you have a pair.

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baronzeus
10-23-2005, 08:48 PM
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5/10

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without a read theres no way i fold
Lash
10-23-2005, 08:51 PM
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No fold. Unknown, steal situation, flush draw, board paired, you have a pair.

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That was my exact instinct as this hand unfolded. However now I find myself questioning if:

-Maybe I'm giving the flush draw a little too much consideration... Vs. a semi-rational opponent isn't it less likely his turn check raise is a semi-bluff - especially given the paired board?

-The pot was small - Why not just fold in these spots until I have a stronger idea of what my opponent is capable of (stronger read)... or at least better pot odds?
GetThere1Time
10-23-2005, 08:59 PM
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Maybe I'm giving the flush draw a little too much consideration... Vs. a semi-rational opponent isn't it less likely his turn check raise is a semi-bluff - especially given the paired board?

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Because a lot of unthinking LAGish players (your typical 5/10er) say "Hey, the board paired kings. I bet he doesn't have one! Bluffing's fun! yay!" Specifically in a steal situation where its easy for people to give you credit for little.
10-23-2005, 09:07 PM
I'd become sad, yet still call here and then check-call the river. People bluff too much on paired boards.