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newhizzle
10-23-2005, 07:03 PM
UTG+2 is 27/7/1.8
MP1 is 35/15/1
SB is unknown

Party Poker 15.00/30.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link (http://www.darksun.lunarpages.com/poker/)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>.

Flop: (11.00 SB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, MP1 calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero calls planning to donk most turns
bigalt
10-23-2005, 07:11 PM
what's the problem with collecting the extra SB from everyone before leading the turn?
newhizzle
10-23-2005, 07:16 PM
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what's the problem with collecting the extra SB from everyone before leading the turn?

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it does nothing to protect my hand
Harv72b
10-23-2005, 07:23 PM
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it does nothing to protect my hand

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Neither does donking the turn if UTG+2 decides not to raise again (or figures out what you're doing and flat out folds his 2-outer). Either way, the field will be getting about 10:1 to continue.

I like just 3-betting the flop &amp; playing it from there.
newhizzle
10-23-2005, 08:25 PM
Turn: 5 /images/graemlins/spade.gif

SB checks, hero...

what's my line if i 3bet flop?
what's my line if i didnt?
W. Deranged
10-23-2005, 08:40 PM
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what's the problem with collecting the extra SB from everyone before leading the turn?

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it does nothing to protect my hand

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AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

Who cares! Of course you can't protect your hand. You are three-betting for...

...you guessed it...

VALUE!

Think about it logically. If you're ahead on the turn enough to donk bet, aren't you ahead enough now to three-bet? The fact that you make the pot bigger is not all that significant, as opponents who are calling a turn bet are probably going to call regardless of whether a few more SB go in on the flop. Three-betting may mean you're less likely to get raised on the turn by the flop raiser, but you can't really count on this happening after a turn donk-bet anyway.
toss
10-23-2005, 08:56 PM
If 3-bet flop, bet/fold the turn.

If no 3-bet, check/fold is SB calls and check/calldown if SB folds.
B Dids
10-23-2005, 11:36 PM
Why do you want to donk the turn? Seems like a good way to get the least from a hand like A8.
jason_t
10-24-2005, 12:48 AM
3-bet the goddamned flop.